Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdel Mohsin Musellem


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. It's not clear that notability has been established, but with the nominator suggesting withdrawal, there is no apparent consensus to delete either. RL0919 (talk) 23:21, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Abdel Mohsin Musellem

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Flagging this for a few reasons. First, there appear to be no verifiable sources. The "BBC" source looks genuine, but is not. The URL is not the same as the proper BBC Arabic site. I google translated this and the name in that 'article' is not the same as in this stub. So this lack of verifiable sources means the article does not and can not meet WP:VERIFY.

Second, as there is no significant coverage and no reliable sources provided, I find this article unlikely to satisfy the requirements of WP:N either.

Third, article is only three days old and has never been reviewed. I understand this is not necessarily a ground for deletion, however it does mean no independent reviewer has confirmed this article as appropriate for Wikipedia. The author has had other articles declined for similar reasons to what I have mentioned.

Last, but this is a weak point - I question whether the article is written in a neutral and objective manner. It merely seems to read like a list of this persons work. Such-change47 (talk) 08:06, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn by nominator - consensus unlikely to be reached and taken into account the keep remarks made below, I am happy to withdraw. Such-change47 (talk) 00:40, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Such-change47 (talk) 08:06, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 08:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Saudi Arabia-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 08:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 08:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Comment I agree the article is very poorly referenced. It would be great if someone who can read Arabic could review this article. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:18, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 04:27, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment this is almost certainly an unattributed translation from another language wiki and thus, like all their other articles and more, copyvio. Please see Education noticeboard/Archive 21.  Doug Weller  talk 17:36, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Should the article be retained after the changes by Mccapra? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee  //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 11:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep the article is a translation from ar.wiki. I’ve now linked it and added a translation template to the talk page. The BBC source is genuine, it’s just the 2002 version of the site, and the article is about the subject. The ar.wiki article has plenty of sources and a quick search shows an abundance of others. The article does need improving but there’s no basis for deletion. Mccapra (talk) 09:27, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , please provide specific examples or add them to the enwiki article. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 10:28, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok I’ve now worked on it so it has seven valid references. There are a lot more Google books refs for him, mostly critical discussions and histories of Arabic poetry, but Google only allows snippet views of these so I haven’t used any of them. I’ve also cut out sections that weren’t sourced and for which I couldn’t find sources either. Mccapra (talk) 14:55, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete - 4 of the new references show that the poems exist. There still remains a list of 26, so 22 aren't cited. Still no cited biographical information. Please change my vote to delete. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 02:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.