Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdul Ahad IPS


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The result was delete. Consensus is clear that the subject doesn't meet our notability guidelines currently &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:30, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Abdul Ahad IPS

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this article fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG. All the articles are about his appointment and with the exception of a local puff piece. His rank is at best the equivalent to a Colonel according to Superintendent of police (India) and as per WP:MILPEOPLE is not presumed notable. Domdeparis (talk) 16:54, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:35, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:35, 13 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete a non-notable civil servant.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:57, 14 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep as his rank falls in the list of Indian order of precedence. Currently not all the functionaries and officials listed in the Indian order of precedence have dedicated Wikipedia page. This is only because there are less number of editors in India compared to other developed countries. Take for example USA, Almost all the officials present in United States order of precedence have entry in Wikipedia. --Amoniasqund (talk) 13:05, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I do not see superintendent of police in the Indian order of precedence. In the list there is only 1 mention of a police officer and that is "Director-General, Central Reserve Police Force" at the second lowest level, are superintendents of police at this rank? The lowest military rank is Major General or a 2 star general which is at least 2 ranks above this person if one believes Superintendent of police (India). In the American order of precedence there are no police officers and the lowest Military rank is 3 star general which is a Lt General. I don't understand the reasoning behind your keep !vote can you elaborate please? Domdeparis (talk) 14:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * He is a IPS, a member of All India Services, Union Public Service Commission. Note that he is a Deputy commissioner of Police and his rank is of Senior Superintendent of police not Superintendent of police. Please refer Ranks in law enforcement in India. --Amoniasqund (talk) 15:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * So is this rank in the list of Indian order of precedence as you claim? Domdeparis (talk) 16:38, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Members of Union Public Service Commission are part of Indian order of precedence.--Amoniasqund (talk) 14:25, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment:, Members of UPSC refers to the actual members of UPSC, who are appointed by the President as per article 315 of Constitution of India, members are usually academicians and retired civil servants. IAS/IPS/IFos officers are recruited by UPSC, they're not the members of UPSC. Also, by the by, Secretary of R&AW in the Cabinet Secretariat (placed 23rd on Indian Order of Precedence), Directors-General of Central Armed Police Forces (BSF, CRPF, CISF etc.), Director of CBI, Director of IB and Director-General of NIA (placed 25th on Indian Order of Precedence) are IPS officers (hence, also police officers), so there's more than one police rank on Indian Order of Precedence. Additionally, Addl. Secy. to GoI (placed 25th on Indian Order of Precedence), and Jt. Secy. to GoI (placed 26th on Indian Order of Precedence) are considered analogous to Director-General/Additional-Director General and Inspector-General respectively. Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 14:53, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 *  Keep  Comment as he is been quoted or mentioned in number of prominent newspapers of India. Hence this article passes the Basic criteria for the notability. I will contest with the references later with list of his named mentioned by the notable sources in last one month.--Amoniasqund (talk) 15:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 *  Keep  Comment as I was planning add the encyclopedic entries for other IPS officers of same ranking as well as the higher ranking ones. Removal of this article translates that all these entries will also be considered as not notable.--Amoniasqund (talk) 15:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You can only !vote once and as you wrote the article I'm afraid it doesn't really bear much weight unless you reply to the nominator's remarks or provide more sources and information about the subject. Basic criteria states significant coverage and the sources in this article are WP:ROUTINE coverage announcing his appointment. You can by all means add other articles as each article is judged on its own merits. The rank is only an indicator of notability (at least in the military) all articles have to meet WP:GNG. Domdeparis (talk) 16:38, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I apologize for multiple voting. Following are some references of him other than coverage announcing his appointment. Some references have his quotes and opinions and some just mentions him. 2009 2011      2012    2014   2015    2016    August 2017     September 2017
 * Note that the Kannada language newspapers quote or mention him more than that of English Dailies. Following are some Kannada references.
 * Also note that the above lists are not exhaustive. I understand that one of the sources cited looks like a puff piece, will remove it. --Amoniasqund (talk) 14:25, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete (for now): I tried checking published IPS Civil List as per MHA and Karnataka Administrative Reforms Department (Karnataka Police) data, and I couldn't find any match for Abdul Ahad. Chances are that he's been recently promoted from State Police Service. But, if anyone else wants to try, be my guest. Links - Here and here. Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 15:17, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: I was spectacularly wrong about the members of UPSC. I apologize for my ignorance. Also you are right about him being recently promoted. You can find him in this list.--Amoniasqund (talk) 19:00, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


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