Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdulaziz Bin Turki Bin Talal Al-Saud


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The result was keep.  Sandstein  07:23, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Abdulaziz Bin Turki Bin Talal Al-Saud

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Poorly referenced, slightly promotional, and a direct copy of a declined draft that is currently being worked on. Creator has agreed to continue working on the draft to make it acceptable, so requesting deletion of this page in the meantime. Primefac (talk) 07:43, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, HRH Prince Abdulaziz Bin Turki Bin Talal Abdulaziz Al Saud is a very well known person in Saudi Arabia and ,comes from the House of Saud, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. In the "Event" Section, all references has been provided with his accomplishments and greetings. All references that are implemented within this article are sufficient proof of what is quoted and edited into the draft. It is highly difficult to find further references and is still being worked on. The old draft has been deleted by me the user and would like to proceed further of action in regards to this article. If there are any further concerns or suggestions into what should be change or edited into this articles please notify me and i would happily proceed further with your suggestions.
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6vU0_95ru0
 * Chechnya official TV Video with the President of Chechnya
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpabDFkXZ44
 * Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibrahim.tabech (talk • contribs) 10:10, 25 June 2015‎ UTC


 * Note that the article creator has since requested speedy deletion of the draft (including the reviewer feedback on why it was rejected). --McGeddon (talk) 10:19, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Saudi Arabia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95  &#40; Talk &#41;  16:08, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * As you can see, "Events" was updated and referenced identically as the rest through resourceful sites and journals. I as well as made some further research and found in-depth resources that could exchanged and referenced into the data. Please be notified that any information that is not citied well, that they will be as soon as i find valuable resources.
 * Your feedbacks are highly appreciated and well considered for. Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.99.249.3 (talk) 16:51, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - minor Saudi royals are not automatically notable. Bearian (talk) 04:05, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

HRH Prince Abdulaziz bin Turki bin Tala Al Saud comes from a very important family tree Saudi Royal Family. Son of Prince Turki bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud and Princess Sara Bint Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz, daughter of late King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibrahim.tabech (talk • contribs) 08:41, 8 July 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - passes WP:GNG, per the sources in the article. Also, WP:OTHERSTUFF aside, we do have an article on Prince George of Cambridge, a minor British royal. So being a minor royal is not forbidding to have an article. Kraxler (talk) 18:52, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:12, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - not only Prince George (in direct line to be king), but we have articles on English princes and princesses that lived only a short time - see Princess Caroline of Gloucester, Margaret of York (1472), Mary Stuart (1605–1607). I can't find it but there was one about a royal child who lived only a few days. —Мандичка YO 😜 08:49, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm very surprised that despite even stating WP:OTHERSTUFF there are still OSE arguments flooding in. King Abdullah had 36 surviving children, and countless more grandchildren. This isn't the British nobility where there may be a half-dozen children at most (at to be honest, I'm sorely tempted to AfD Margaret of York). Being nobility does not make him automatically notable. I am curious what thinks about the article itself. Primefac (talk) 09:06, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think the fact that he has a lot of relatives makes him less notable. He runs a corporation, makes royal appearances, etc. I also found coverage of him in Russian news as he does business in Chechnya. Yes, he's young, royal and rich, but he is involved in international business and receives coverage.  —Мандичка YO 😜 09:42, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Btw, other AfDs on these royal children who did not survive infancy have not been successful. That's where I remember the one who lived about a week a few centuries ago. People consider royalty important, fair or not. I don't think Articles for deletion/Patrick Bouvier Kennedy (5th nomination) is going anywhere either. —Мандичка YO 😜 09:51, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, in my mind the whole point of an AfD is to establish a consensus about a specific article. If the consensus is keep, awesome. I'm not bothered one way or the other. Primefac (talk) 09:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * First: WP:OTHERSTUFF is an essay, not a guideline. Essays have been summarily dismissed in other AfD discussions and elsewhere, depending on the convenience of the !voter. Second: I very much subscribe to OTHERSTUFF, it says "The nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on whether other articles do, or do not, exist; because there is nothing stopping anyone from creating any article...While these comparisons are not a conclusive test, they may form part of a cogent argument; an entire comment should not be dismissed because it includes a comparative statement like this." (my bolding) My main argument was that the subject passes easily WP:GNG. The comparison came up only as an additional reminder of general usage. By the way, this prince is as much in line to the throne as Prince George. In Saudi-Arabia, all male line descendants of Ibn Saud share an equal legal right to succeed to the throne, the actual Succession to the Saudi Arabian throne is decided by the choice of the reigning monarch. Kraxler (talk) 14:23, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: meet WP:GNG. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 14:00, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


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