Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdulla Shallal


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The result was   no consensus. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 01:22, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Abdulla Shallal

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Player fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played in a fully professional league, nor senior international football. No indication of any other achievements that have garnered sufficient, significant coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. None of the recently added references go beyond routine match reporting. None deal with the subject either exclusively or as significantly all of the report. Fenix down (talk) 11:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 13:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:40, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:GNG Has multiple appearances in the Asian continental competitions in the   2015 AFC Cup including this this this and in the AFC Champions League the regional equivalent to the UEFA Champions League as per this and was part of the Bahrain team in the  2015 AFC Asian Cup as per this .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:44, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - my understanding of continental matches was that the player still had to be involved in a match between two teams from WP:FPLs. the inclusion in the Bahrain squad is not relevant. Per WP:NFOOTY, the player actually has to play, not simply be called up to the squad, I believe from this that he was an unused substitute in all three games. Fenix down (talk) 17:56, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep Riffa S.C. is a fully professional team, in a fully professional league, the top division in Bahrain is fully professional since around mid-2000's, hence it only has 10 teams. Unless he has not started in the Riffa squad then he passes the WP: Footy Notability test.
 * Comment - Please review WP:FPL, there is no consensus that the Bahraini league is fully professional. Fenix down (talk) 17:39, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Reply There are around 10 pro teams in the country, and with maybe 2 or 3 exceptions all play in this league, similarly the league itself is very much near-to pro, again with the exception of a few teams. Either way the club Riffa S.C. definitely is pro, it's also one of the oldest clubs in the region, and won AFC championships, the players earn an astonishing amount of money Abcmaxx (talk) 18:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - so as you say, it is not "fully" professional, as required by NFOOTY. Fenix down (talk) 20:58, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I still have my doubts whether it is not, I was certain it was fully professionalised by now, the WP:FPL is outdated and incomplete Abcmaxx (talk) 22:58, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * In the absence of reliable sources confirming it, the claim to full professionalism doesn't carry any weight as far as notability goes. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:42, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; kikichugirl  oh hello! 18:46, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTBALL as he hasn't played in a Fully Professional League and doesn't have any international caps. IJA (talk) 13:36, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Has played in Champions League match versus fully professional team from Qatar Stars League listed at WP:FPL. While Bahraini league is not fully professional, it's been asserted that Riffa itself is, and thus he has played in a match between two fully professional teams in the Champions League. Nfitz (talk) 19:53, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * For a match continental club competition to confer notability it must have been a match between two clubs who play in fully pro leagues, and as you've pointed out, the Bahraini league is not fully pro. Sir Sputnik (talk) 03:26, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Close enough. We've applied that standard before. Given he's been called to national team, but yet to be capped, with a lot of media coverage about that, there's several weak claims that could be made. The sum total makes it WP:COMMONSENSE to keep this article. Nfitz (talk) 00:25, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 00:24, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
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