Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdus Sattar Ghazali (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Abdus Sattar Ghazali
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At the last AfD, mention was made of the GHits. However, many of these are Ghazali's own byline (i.e. not independent coverage); the transliterated results were not a precise hit - they found article's which had the three transliterated words, but not necessarily together! I couldn't find the significant independent coverage required by the notability criteria. This article is still unsourced since 2007 - and the only links in it are to Ghazali's own website! --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 11:50, 4 October 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not seem to be notable. No secondary sources and no information about him besides resume items. Kitfoxxe (talk) 11:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: I have notified all the participants in the last AfD (in a neutral manner) that this AfD is open should they wish to comment here
 * Keep. Patently notable journalist. When did systemic bias become something Wikipedia strove for instead of, y'know, tried to avoid? Rebecca (talk) 16:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand the "systemic bias" bit, and it's something I try to avoid - but if he is that notable a journalist, I'd expect to find some significant coverage in Arabic sources. Although these are not as extant as English-language sources online, there is plenty of Arabic sources of various types that are online - can you find a couple which would verify the information in the article? A quick look through the ones found at Google by the above-added Find sources reveals his by-line, but not coverage about him. I could find a journalist on my local newspaper who has their byline on a lot of articles, but the presence of those would not indicate that she was notable enough for inclusion. Of course, if "systemic bias" means that we ignore WP:N, then I'm OK with that if that is the community consensus - but I'd like to see a policy or guideline which actually says "ignore the requirements if the subject is not in an English-speaking location"! OK, I'm being deliberately obtuse there, but BIAS doesn't say that, does it? Is there an Arabic-speaker who can find reliable sources other than the bylines? Also, we should bear in mind that Ghazali is not living in the Arabic world - he lives in California, he worked in English News departments... is there really no significant coverage from reliable sources? --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 07:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Rebecca and per the argument in the initial AFD. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:06, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, finding lots of GHits does not make one notable. This is an unreferenced BLP and has been so for nearly three years. I have attempted to find reliable, non-trivial sources independent of the subject and have been unable. J04n(talk page) 21:53, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Comment, this BLP is still completely unsourced, if it isn't deleted it should be incubated or userfied until someone adds references. J04n(talk page) 00:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.