Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abe Gray


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The result was keep. Cabayi (talk) 08:08, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Abe Gray

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Unnoteworthy person Burned Toast (talk) 02:28, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 02:29, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep Gray has shown consistent, significant media coverage for over a decade. I strongly believe he passes WP:GNG.

I also believe he has an impressively high amount of coverage beyond the cannabis museum that he deserves his own page. He is public interest for being an unusual and fairly controversial character.

He has been covered for a variety of reasons - some of them including getting arrested at University of Otago, with criticism from Metiria Turei, being president of a notorious cannabis university club Otago NORML, running in mayoral and general elections for TOP, Legalise Cannabis, and independent, founding New Zealand's first and only cannabis museum Whakamana Cannabis Museum, a $2M project with the founder of Cookie Time for an elaborate cannabis institution, considering a $25000 private prosecution of a university vice-chancellor on behalf of students, getting told not to wear a cannabis shirt at the airport, starting a pro-cannabis group called Start The Conversation which was covered by media due to support from Helen Kelly, Marc Willers, Lucy Lawless; appearing in a cannabis documentary covered by New Zealand media outlets. He is also frequently asked by news outlets for his opinion of cannabis issues, which is why there is a section dedicated to 'Views'.

I will link to some of the pages of significant coverage:


 * https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/mayoral-profile-abe-gray
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cannabis-referendum/123184117/how-abe-gray-became-new-zealands-gandalf-of-weed
 * https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-the-road-ahead-power-referendum-changes-urged-on-euthanasia-cannabis/OO3WYSKTTZUDQFG6SOI6DMKHVU/
 * https://www.odt.co.nz/news/campus/university-of-otago/students-storm-campus-watch
 * https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/campus-arrests-follow-marijuana-complaints-video
 * https://www.odt.co.nz/news/campus/university-of-otago/norml-leader-guilty
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cannabis-referendum/122637063/cannabis-referendum-legalisation-could-make-nz-a-cannabis-tourism-destination
 * https://www.odt.co.nz/lifestyle/magazine/minorities-none
 * https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dunedin-marijuana-museum-planned
 * https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nzs-first-cannabis-museum-opens/CREBHTTN6334A4D6ZRL7ZUG2F4/
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/71939715/a-night-at-the-cannabis-museum
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96809936/top-candidates-pitch-for-dunedin-north
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93354441/gareth-morgans-message-on-cannabis-hits-home
 * https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/cannabis-party-leader-quits-for-opportunities-party.html
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/101236333/dunedin-cannabis-museum-moves-to-new-central-city-joint
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/103089740/420-coffees-at-dunedins-newlyopened-cannabis-museum
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106700397/bitcoin-millionaire-bankrolls-cutprice-coffee-to-get-pensioners-into-cannabis-museum
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/103605241/dunedins-cannabis-museum-left-high-and-dry-over-alleged-fake-landlord
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104766175/cannabis-reform-lobbyists-accuse-facebook-of-stubbing-out-debate
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106851962/flying-high-customs-officer-warns-museum-curator-over-cannabis-tshirt
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107343663/otago-university-students-call-for-proctor-to-resign-over-bong-removal
 * https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/i-was-wrong-proctor
 * https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/cannabis-museum-moves-north
 * https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/rnz/cannabis-museum-christchurch
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117317669/new-cannabis-institute-keen-to-grow-hemp-on-vacant-central-christchurch-site
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/118267228/christchurch-cannabis-museum-searching-for-investors-after-failing-to-reach-funding-goal
 * https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/16-03-2020/the-founder-of-a-failed-cannabis-museum-sounds-a-warning-for-similar-startups/
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114699329/cannabis-advocates-aim-to-transform-christchurch-heritage-buildings-into-cannabis-hq
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122919161/election-2020-candidates-up-against-it-in-wellington-labour-stronghold
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington/122654498/a-cannabis-cafe-on-cuba-st-why-not-says-top-leader
 * https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cannabis-lollipops-soft-drinks-and-protein-powder-could-be-on-the-market-for-kiwis-following-cannabis-referendum/CFA6LWVNOB2XLLHMZ4GDYQVXGE/
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cannabis-referendum/123347924/wellingtinny-could-the-capital-become-the-colorado-of-new-zealand
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/118493753/great-southern-city-christchurch-in-2030
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/121179843/cannabis-museum-leaving-christchurch-heritage-building-for-capital
 * https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/06/should-new-zealand-legalise-cannabis.html
 * https://thespinoff.co.nz/science/16-10-2019/weed-and-woo-separating-facts-from-fiction-on-the-health-benefits-of-cannabis/
 * https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123668754/gang-members-robbing-and-assaulting-people-using-online-app-to-buy-drugs

Nexus000 (talk) 03:30, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG from all that is written about him, including the interviews in Stuff, NZ Herald and Spinoff that aren't just Mayoral write ups. Seems more that the page needs a cleanup but that isn't a reason to delete it. There is some doubtful references (using Facebook as reference to where he grew up isn't allowed) and too much in the External Links. NZFC  (talk) (cont)  23:00, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Replying to your last sentence: I have removed the Facebook reference, but luckily when I added him to notable alumni of his high school, someone found a newspaper from 1999 which appears to indicate he went to that school. (Article) Stuff's interview with him (article here) shows his upbringing was in Minneapolis and is where much of the content from Early life and Moving to New Zealand and university days comes from. Nexus000 (talk) 00:35, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * yeah it was just things like that, looking through, that could be referenced by something better so that is good you changed it. Things like that though shouldn't affect the decision about deletion as there appears clear WP:GNG from what was in the reliable source/s provided. NZFC  (talk) (cont)  00:44, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets GNG hands-down.  Schwede 66  07:41, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment This is source-bombed and excessively detailed for his level of notability. Most references are of him just getting quoted in the paper, when the paper needs to talk to a cannabis advocate. I can't make a good delete argument since there are two good sources in a stuff.co.nz article and NZ Herald article, but this article needs a huge amount of cleanup, including merging the coatrack bit on the museum he runs to the page on the museum. SportingFlyer  T · C  20:13, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Hands down, Abe Gray passes WP:GNG. Jonathan170 (talk) 00:51, 6 March 2021 (UTC)


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