Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abea


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sam Walton (talk) 09:05, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Abea

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Article makes mention of award but no significant coverage, fails WP:CORPDEPTH and doesn't meet WP:RS Edidiong (talk) 14:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 17:32, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 17:32, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment If this is indeed "the oldest olive-oil maker" in Greece, it should have mentions aplenty at least in the Greek media. A search there, with the help of some tools, reveals almost nothing except routine mentions in lists, etc, showing essentially that the company exists and is active. It seems all we have are primary sources. -The Gnome (talk) 20:32, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep A notable, historical industry of Crete. It is an important part of the industrial history of Crete and the urban development of Chania; see this article in the website of local daily of Chania, el:Χανιώτικα Νέα; also this (@ Crete News.gr). About the importance of the present day company in Crete -with a short glance in its history- see this article, published in the Greek mainstream daily Eλευθεροτυπία. ——Chalk19 (talk) 04:28, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * But, Chalk19, why not add those sources to the article? See below for more. -The Gnome (talk) 11:32, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Comments: I love how those !voting keep because of historical or other reasons, and supplying sources here at AFD, would not be more beneficial to just supply those sources on the article, and then !voting "Keep" because of notability sources now on the article. I am stating this because I have seen several instances when "delete !votes" are advised to find sources and improve the article. It seems this would be a two way street. Otr500 (talk) 00:14, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I will add that, in some such cases, the editors who suggest Deletion are advised to WP:FIXIT. Which is actually the policy about "being bold" in Wikipedia editing, under a different title. In reality, the admonition to boldly improve an article loses currency when we're going through an AfD process. Improving the contested article and, if possible, stopping the process is rather up to those who are suggesting Keep. As to the much suffering WP:BEFORE, that's an obligation of the nominator; not of AfD participants. -The Gnome (talk) 11:32, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom, as it stands now. Feel free to ping me if anyone adds some good references and I will happily look at it again. Ifnord (talk) 00:12, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 06:04, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. North America1000 11:16, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I have reformed the article. ——Chalk19 (talk) 11:01, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I think it is notable in Greek region, not sure about the authenticity of these resources on EN Wikipedia. Mia Watson (talk) 16:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:12, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as an historic company. We've usually been much less restrictive here with just-founded embryonic firms.  DGG ( talk ) 04:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: the "oldest olive oil processing plant" in a given country is a tenuous but sufficient claim of significance in my mind. Sources are okay. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:32, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep on account of subject's history and position in its field, though that is barely passably documented. -The Gnome (talk) 10:57, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.