Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abeir-Toril


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Sjakkalle (Check!)  18:19, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Abeir-Toril

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Non-notable fictional planet. Claritas § 15:25, 19 December 2012 (UTC) *Keep There are sources. Will be looking for them. Web Warlock (talk) 22:48, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge with one of the main Forgotten Realms articles. I have found one source that discusses it so far:   I'm still looking for more. —Torchiest talkedits 15:45, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I found a Wired article, "Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide Chronicles the World’s Epic Changes", talking about the 4th edition D&D books and changes to the world. —Torchiest talkedits 16:28, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per Torchiest's found source; note that anyone looking for sources is more likely to find references to just "Toril", as this is how it is more commonly referred to in game fiction. BOZ (talk) 16:03, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources identified above.Vulcan&#39;s Forge (talk) 22:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment stricken because users cannot give a recommandation twice.Folken de Fanel (talk) 19:42, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:29, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:29, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Nominator has "retired" after past socking in fictional elements-related discussions had been brought up. Existing sources in the article are varied and show broad coverage of this fictional element. Jclemens (talk) 20:48, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep due the notability 'in world', but it might be stronger to merge it with the main Forgotten Realms article. In most of the sources I have uncovered Abieir-Toril = Forgotten Realms. It makes teasing the two apart much more difficult. Web Warlock (talk) 16:16, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, as usual I see none of the "significant coverage from multiple, independent reliable sources" that WP:GNG requires for a topic to be notable. In the article, source 1, 2, 3 and 4 are trivial and are actually first party and thus non-independent (Tom Costa wrote for WotC, Brian R. James's work has been bought and distributed by WotC, Dragon magazine is an official D&D publication, and Jeff Grubb is a TSR/Dragonlance/Forgotten Realms writer). Concerning sources that have been brought up here, The Fantasy Role-Playing Game: A New Performing Art merely mentions "Abeir-Toril" within a description of a gaming session or plot summary and is thus not a "significant coverage" (actually not a coverage at all). Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide Chronicles the World’s Epic Changes is even worse since "Abeir-Toril" is only mentionned as part of the description of the reviewed book's content. I don't see how anyone, except devout D&D fans, of course, could say anything different.Folken de Fanel (talk) 19:37, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Forgotten Realms. Thanks for what has been found but I don't think it merits a stand-alone article (nothing from the MacKay source has appeared in the article). Hekerui (talk) 19:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Better now? :) BOZ (talk) 16:58, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
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