Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abhiram Paramahansa Dev


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Abhiram Paramahansa Dev

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This article was speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyvio about a month ago. Now, it has been recreated (by the same editor) with very close paraphrasing from the same primary source (here). It's not a blatant copyvio anymore (although it's close), so it can't be speedied. However, there don't appear to be any other reliable sources about this individual besides the primary source from which the article has been paraphrased. Fails WP:GNG. Snotty Wong  confabulate 00:18, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


 * This current article is very much different from the source (here). I agree that some language or word may match with the source. But the information is completely different. For your reference I am giving you some reliable source below and request not to delete the article.

Reference:

http://orissagov.nic.in/e-magazine/Orissareview/jan2005/englishPdf/Abhiram_Paramahansa.pdf,

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2606799/Sayings-Of-Jagatguru-Thakur-Abhiram-Paramahansa-Dev

Online Book:

http://www.free-ebooks.net/ebook/Divine-Dews,

http://www.free-ebooks.net/authors.php?author=Shakti%20Prasad%20Palo,

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?_encoding=UTF8&sort=relevancerank&search-alias=books&field-author=Abhiram%20Paramahamsa

News:

http://www.buzzintown.com/delhi/event--10th-jayanti-utsav-jagad-guru-thakur/id--77093.html,

http://www.onevisionvideo.com/news/Abhiram-Paramahansa-Dev.html,

http://www.buzzintown.com/delhi/venue--jagannath-temple-complex/segment--past-events/id--7590.html

Wikimapia:

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=19.8951015&lon=85.6368184&z=16&l=0&m=b

Books:

1. Leelaa Avatar Shree Abhiram

Written by: Babaji Shree Sadananda Das, Shree Uttam Das, Shree Radhanath Kar, Shree Antaryami Sahu.

Published by: Shree Guru Bhandar, Shanti Aanandaashram, Karamala, P.O.-Shanti Dham, Dist.-Puri, Pin-752117, Odisha (Orissa)

2. Leelaanubhuti

Written by: Shree Radhashyam Pattanayak, Tulasi pur, Cuttack-8, Odisha (Orissa).

Published by: Shree Guru Bhandar, Shanti Aanandaashram, Karamala, P.O.-Shanti Dham, Dist.-Puri, Pin-752117, Odisha (Orissa)

Dear Admin, Please advice me, if you want any other clarification or information. AjayMohanty 15:59, 11 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajaymohanty (talk • contribs)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete. I'm not seeing a credible assertion of importance here. If this person is revered as a saint by his followers, where are said followers? And where is the significant secondary coverage of said followers? I can find two hits in Google News Archives. One is a 2009 Times of India article and implies that someone of this name is a god|1. The other is part of the LA Times pay archives |2 that I can't access, but the abstract indicates it's probably not the same person. I'm reluctant to delete a god as non-notable, but I can't see any other way around it. — Chromancer  talk/cont 19:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Thakur Abhiram Paramahansa Dev was a saint by his followers and their followers believe him as a God. He has more than 5 lakhs followers and devotees in Orissa (Odisha) and outside Orissa. But in Orissa, too much or their followers/devotees are not exposed to internet. So, there are less significant secondary coverage of said followers. But, I have given you more than 9 links of reference in this discussion. Again I am giving you 7 links, which is google books and contains the name of Abhiram Paramahansa Dev.

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=o28cAAAAMAAJ&q=abhiram+paramahansa&dq=abhiram+paramahansa&hl=en&ei=f8yNTPDOCoyycc-7hMsE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=4QXXAAAAMAAJ&q=abhiram+paramahansa&dq=abhiram+paramahansa&hl=en&ei=f8yNTPDOCoyycc-7hMsE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAg

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=-ChuAAAAMAAJ&q=abhiram+paramahansa&dq=abhiram+paramahansa&hl=en&ei=f8yNTPDOCoyycc-7hMsE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAw

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=mRNlQ9QA1zQC&pg=PA107&dq=abhiram+paramahansa&hl=en&ei=f8yNTPDOCoyycc-7hMsE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=NJxFYk1yv-oC&pg=PA287&dq=abhiram+paramahansa&hl=en&ei=f8yNTPDOCoyycc-7hMsE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=O-7wAAAAMAAJ&q=abhiram+paramahansa&dq=abhiram+paramahansa&hl=en&ei=f8yNTPDOCoyycc-7hMsE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBw

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=6ingNgrWnJ8C&pg=PA302&dq=abhiram+paramahansa&hl=en&ei=K9yNTMTwOsSWcYq1wcwE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q&f=false

Thakukr Abhiram Paramahansa Dev is not non-notable. He has more than 5 lakhs followers/devotees and 25 ashrams in Orissa, and In New Delhi there is an Ashram at Chhatarpur. At Karamala (Puri, Orissa), every year at the annual function, more than 2 lakhs of followers/devotees attending. I hope the above links and information will clarify more about this discussion. Ajaymohanty (talk• contribs) AjayMohanty 09:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - Note that User:Ajaymohanty is the original author of this article.   Snotty Wong   gossip 21:49, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 06:47, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Too POV-laden for prime time, in my opinion. Carrite (talk) 00:26, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment: Whatever the other merits of this article, the content is unusable as it is a derivative of (see the talk page for some specific examples). This version of the article will need to be replaced, if the decision at AfD is to retain the article. I'm afraid that I've had to blank it per our policies to avoid our continuing to infringe on a source that has not verified permission. The prior contents are still viewable here. Continuing the AfD would be beneficial in spite of the copyright problems, as copyright problems can be easily addressed by rewriting an article, but problems iwht notability cannot be. I am not participating in this AfD as I am an uninvolved administrator who will be likely handling the copyright problem closure, but I don't think it's involved to point out that some of the book sources listed above are unusable. This and this are books by Icon Group International, which are mirrors of online resources, including Wikipedia itself. This one is a book dedication. The first batch of online source above is similarly problematic, as many of them are self-published sources and this, for example, does not speak to notability even remotely. This doesn't mean he isn't notable, but proper sourcing needs to verify that. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:39, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear uninvolved Administrator, regarding the article is infringe on the copyright of the text from the source, I have given detailed explanation on this article's discussion page Talk:Abhiram_Paramahansa_Dev -- Ajaymohanty AjayMohanty 21:49, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
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