Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abi Ann


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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) SST flyer 02:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Abi Ann

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No significant claim of notability; fails WP:GNG, WP:MUSICBIO; promotional. Article sourced to press releases & non-notable "awards". NOTE: Editors may wish to review article history; removal of material due to promotional concerns. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 23:27, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  /wiae   /tlk  23:51, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions.  /wiae   /tlk  23:51, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - however, this is a very hesitant "keep". Seems to barely pass GNG.  -Xcuref1endx (talk) 02:53, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep -the article looks much more on par with all the promotional info that wasn't sourced and poorly added to the lead gone, and being on the national tours for Kelly Clarkson and Eli Young Band and part of Radio Disney makes a case for WP:MUSICBIO Burroughs&#39;10 (talk) 21:58, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , Of the 12 criteria listed at WP:MUSICBIO, which are met? - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 03:29, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Marginally 8&9.  InsertCleverPhraseHere  11:11, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I find no evidence that the "Indie Music Awards" is even close to a "major music competition", and she certainly hasn't won or been nominated for any major awards. -- &#124;  Uncle Milty  &#124;  talk  &#124;  14:51, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  05:15, 25 March 2016 (UTC) Weak Keep, seems to barely meet notability requirements. InsertCleverPhraseHere  11:11, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , would you review the sources I provided below? I think Abi Ann easily meets the notability requirements with the new sources. Cunard (talk) 06:48, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

 Keep, seems notable, but the article should be highly improved.Masterofroks (talk) 12:47, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - All puffery, with no substance. For the Kelly Clarkson tour she was the most minor act of a total of three, and not even for the entire tour. The "Indie Music Channel" awards are not notable, as apparently this organization is just a small radio show for unknown acts. The Commemorative Air show "headlining" was no bigger than being the last performer on stage at a local festival in their own home town. And on the Jesse McCartney tour (The In Technicolor Tour) I can only find mention of her opening one of his concerts. Other concerts on that tour were opened by other minor artists. This is written by a SPA account (really, their only edit was to create this article) as an attempt to be seen as notable. In fact, judging from the edit summary left by the article creator, I'd almost guarantee this creator was paid for the work. -- &#124;  Uncle Milty  &#124;  talk  &#124;  14:48, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment -Actually InsertCleverPhaseHere, I was thinking WP:MUSICBIO #4 for the concert tours with Kelly Clarkson and Eli Young Band, and #11 for being part of Radio Disney Burroughs&#39;10 (talk) 20:48, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
 * She meets WP:MUSICBIO #1 for receiving significant coverage in reliable sources. Cunard (talk) 04:24, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   21:03, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources.  The article notes: "Abi Ann didn’t expect much to come out of this summer. That is, until Kelly Clarkson came calling. The 18-year-old was handpicked by the Grammy Award winner to open for her summer tour. ... Abi Ann released her first EP, “17,” earlier this year.  ...  Abi Ann soon will be finished with touring and will begin her first year at Belmont University in Nashville, Tenn., where she will study entrepreneurship."  The article notes: "When Midlander Abi Ann talks about her milestones, she starts with her age. Turning 18 was a big deal for the singer, followed by graduating from Campbell Hall School in Studio City, California, and starting her studies at Belmont University in Nashville. ... In January, Ann released her EP “17” with its first single “Future Ex-Boyfriend,” a smartly-penned track that set the bar high with a clever hook and feisty attitude. Her second single, “Truck Candy,” was picked up by Disney Radio and is now in regular airplay.  ...  In early December it was announced that Ann was part of the lineup for Bud Light’s Country Fest 30, which is June 16-19 in Cadott, Wisconsin.  The music festival will be headlined by Kenny Chesney, Carrie Underwood and Dierks Bentley, to name a few."  The article notes: "Most young adults spend the summer between high school and college working a minimum-wage job, savoring their waning time with hometown friends and making the most of good weather and freedom. Singer-songwriter Abi Ann is going to be spending hers on the road with Kelly Clarkson. Beginning on July 11, the 18-year-old Midland, Texas, native will be an opening act on Clarkson’s Piece By Piece Tour. ... But Ann also knows the importance of getting an education — “I’ve always loved to learn,” she says, “and education has always been a huge priority for me” — so, in the fall, she’ll do what many other recent high school graduates will do: start college. She’ll be studying entrepreneurship at Nashville’s Belmont University, taking online classes and compacted on-campus courses so that she can balance learning with her music career."  The article notes: "Country-pop newcomer Abi Ann is premiering her cover of Nancy Sinatra’s classic “These Boots Are Made for Walkin'” exclusively on The Boot. ... Ann is currently crossing the country as the opening act on the Eli Young Band‘s Winter Tour, and she spent her summer touring with Kelly Clarkson, on Clarkson’s Piece By Piece Tour. The 18-year-old released her EP, 17, earlier this year; it includes the single “Truck Candy,” featuring Walker Hayes." <li> The article notes: "Yes, Abi Ann has star quality and it means something. The 18-year-old Nashville-based singer/songwriter just graduated high school last June, but she’s already toured with pop star Kelly Clarkson and put out an EP. ... Earlier this month, the quirky, composed Texas native performed a pair of tracks — “Future Ex Boyfriend” and “Truck Candy” — off her debut EP and sat down for a chat at an A-Sides session, which was filmed at the Music Conservatory of Westchester in White Plains, NY."</li> <li> The article notes: "Abi Ann: Up and coming country singer Abi Ann got things started. The 18-year old singer from Texas was named America's Favorite Teen Country Artist in 2012 by the Independent Music Network. Ann has a strong voice and received a nice round of applause when her short set ended."</li> <li> The article notes: "Singer Abi Ann may be only 17 years old, but she’s not one to shrink away or hide her true feelings. The Texas native’s new single, “Future Ex-Boyfriend,” is as brash as they come, an electric guitar- and fiddle-driven stomper sung from the perspective of a young woman who disposes of guys like used Kleenex."</li> <li> The article notes: "Who is Abi Ann? The Texas native, born Abigail Dawn Ann Hoffman, has already begun to compile credits as she joins the ranks of teen country artists. She recently accompanied Jesse McCartney and Guinevere on the 'In Technicolor' tour last year, and appeared with boy band IM5 on their 'It's Getting Weird' tour, in addition to having multiple song placements in film and television. She was previously named Country Artist of the Year by Independent Music Network, an independent media outlet, and Featured Artist of the Week on ReverbNation. Indie Music Channel also recognized her in four categories: Favorite Country Artist, Country Songwriter of the Year, Teen Songwriter of the Year, and Artist of the Year."</li> <li> The article notes: "Roughly a month after the debut of her single 'Future Ex-Boyfriend,' country singer Abi Ann is back with her full EP, entitled 17. The five-track record includes the songs 'Future Ex-Boyfriend,' 'Cage Without A Key,' 'Truck Candy,' 'Your Side of Town' and 'It's The Bones. In addition to performing, Abi Ann also wrote two of the pieces on the album, while 'Future Ex-Boyfriend' was penned by Danny Myrick, Danielle Leverett and Ann Marie Boskovich." </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Abi Ann to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 04:24, 3 April 2016 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * WP:MUSICBIO redirects to Notability (music), which states: "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria: 1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself. [other criteria]" The articles listed above allow the subject to pass WP:MUSICBIO. Cunard (talk) 04:24, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete: While there are a wide variety of sources here, most are passing mentions, interviews, small town publishers, or duplicate articles. The awards are non-notable.  It wasn't an easy decision for me to make, but I just don't think she's quite there yet.  I do think she'll be there soon.  I think the article isn't in the greatest of shape either.  If someone feels strongly about keeping this article, I'd rather see it be draftified, until more quality, reliable sources are found, and the article improved appropriately. Chrisw80 (talk) 04:32, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * , the Albuquerque Journal article provides substantial coverage of Abi Ann, who is from Texas. The Albuquerque Journal is the largest newspaper in New Mexico according to this 2015 book published by Rowman & Littlefield. The article provides substantial biographical background about the subject and is not merely an interview. That a Texas singer received substantial coverage in the largest newspaper in New Mexico strongly establishes that she is notable. The Huffington Post is a national source and provides substantial coverage of the subject. Nash Country Weekly is a nationally circulated magazine and provides substantial coverage of the subject. The subject clearly passes Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".  Cunard (talk) 06:39, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * , thanks for your reply. The Alberquerque Journal article is clearly an interview even if there is some biographical info (as most interviews do), the Nash Country Weekly article looks like a press release, and the HuffPo article is a blog (it says "THE BLOG" right at the top).  Blogs, press releases, interviews, and the like are not useful for establishing notability. Even if the Nash Country Weekly article isn't a press release, we're still lacking sufficient reliable sources per WP:RS and WP:GNG. Chrisw80 (talk) 19:26, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * , the Albuquerque Journal article contains quotes from the subject because as all good reporters always attempt to do, journalist Adrian Gomez interviewed the subject of the article. That he interviewed the subject does not disqualify the article from establishing notability. Because much of the article is written in the journalist's own words, the article cannot be disqualified from establishing notability. Only interviews that contain primarily questions from the reporter and answers from the subject are disqualified from establishing notability. If all the quotes from Abi Ann are removed from the article, what is left still amounts to significant coverage of her. The Nash Country Weekly article is a review of her song, not a press release. The reviewer says the song is "an electric guitar- and fiddle-driven stomper sung from the perspective of a young woman who disposes of guys like used Kleenex". I searched for snippets of the text online to see whether any of it is used in press releases. The only sources that use that quotes are sources that cite what Nash Country Weekly said about the song. The Huffington Post blog post is acceptable under WP:NEWSBLOG, which says, "These may be acceptable sources if the writers are professionals, but use them with caution because the blog may not be subject to the news organization's normal fact-checking process." Journalist Jon Chattman is a "professional" journalist. From http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-chattman/: "His writing has also appeared in The New York Post, Wizard, Ultimate Marvel Magazine, the Danbury News Times, and TV Guide to name a few."  I've added two new articles from AXS that provide significant coverage about Abi Ann.  There is more than enough material here to establish notability per Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" and defines "significant coverage" as "addresse[ing] the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content".  Cunard (talk) 21:11, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete also as I was uncertain how to comment as the article is noticeably not better convincing and the Keep votes are actually mentioning how this article can be better improved and the first Keep actually says this itself. SwisterTwister   talk  04:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * , the article is neutrally written and has several reliable sources. I also have provided several more reliable sources in the AfD. Why do you believe the article should be deleted? Do you believe the article is too imperfect? Editing policy. Do you believe the reliable sources I provided above are insufficient to establish notability? Why? Cunard (talk) 06:39, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Exactly, the coverage is simply not enough yet, it's somewhat acceptable but this could certainly be better and we'll wait. SwisterTwister   talk  06:41, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Why is the coverage not enough to meet Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"? "Significant coverage" is defined in the guideline as "directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content". How are the sources I posted unreliable? Or how do they not cover Abi Ann "directly and in detail"?  Cunard (talk) 06:48, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


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