Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abigail Kelly


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica1000 00:31, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Abigail Kelly

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Her notability is not made clear, the page refers largely to her own own homepage (WP:NPOV issue), the awards appear to be obscure and the only interview cited is with a local Birmingham newspaper. Her international appearances are largely supporting or part of a chorus. She has made no recordings. I searched for further interviews and articles without success and can't find anything that indicates a national profile. Karst (talk) 08:42, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  12:12, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been notified to WikiProject Opera. Voceditenore (talk) 08:53, 3 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep for Now Keep: Well, she is marginal as far as refs are concerned, that is certain. But people of talent have emerged  from English Touring Opera and she does have a record there and in other areas too.  I'd say let this stand for now - and monitor it in 6 months to see if anyone has added stuff of value.  It's on my watchlist. Viva-Verdi (talk) 23:35, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * After doing some research and adding additional sources, I'm in favour of keeping. OK, she's still in the process of developing a career, but we have more info on her than on some other rather marginal characters for whom there are only stubs...! Viva-Verdi (talk) 16:06, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak keep Delete [See my comment below] She passes none of the criteria for WP:MUSICBIO nor WP:GNG. Yes, some singers have emerged from ETO to go on to significant careers, but this singer has not done so yet, although she is obviously talented. When she passes the criteria, she should have an article—not before. The place to wait for that is as a draft in user or draft space, not an article in main space. She has not sung a single leading role with a single major opera company. Even if you look at her roles with the second tier company, English Touring Opera, they are invariably minor ones. You can see that from the press section on her own website . She has no significant concert career, i.e. as a soloist with leading orchestras in major concert halls. She has no recordings, even in minor roles. She has won no significant awards or placed in any major singing competition. The list of roles/operas/concerts on her website (from which the article is very heavily paraphrased) is very vague, probably intentionally so, as on doing a bit of research, the potentially leading roles pertain to youth opera and student productions. She covered the role of Despina (arguably her only leading role with ETO) but only performed it at the dress rehearsal when the scheduled singer was ill. See the ETO press office "Please note that Paula Sides, singing the role of Despina in ETO’s tour of Così fan tutte, was unwell during the dress rehearsal, when these photos were taken, so Abigail Kelly, covering the role of Despina, appears in these shots instead of Paula." The concerts are with local choral groups, very minor local "festivals", schools outreach, etc. After searching for more coverage which would qualify the subject for WP:GNG, I cannot find anything apart from the "local girl makes good" article in the Birmingham Post and this very similar article in the Jamaica Gleaner from four years ago. Voceditenore (talk) 08:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Changed to a "weak keep" following the sources found by Qwfp. Voceditenore (talk) 15:21, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:48, 3 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Meets WP:BASIC due to significant coverage in the following independent reliable sources: Birmingham Mail in 2009, The Gleaner (Jamaica) in 2010 , The Voice (newspaper) in 2012 , the Birmingham Post in both 2013 and 2014 . Qwfp (talk) 18:29, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Birmingham Post is a significant, reputable, regional newspaper. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:48, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
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