Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abigail Royce


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Miss Earth 2001. Consensus here does not explicitly oppose a redirect. Anyone who thinks Miss Earth United States would be more suitable as a redirect target is free to start a WP:RFD discussion. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  02:03, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Abigail Royce

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No real indication of notability; none of the sources provide significant coverage of this individual. — swpb T 12:51, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. — swpb T 12:53, 11 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete won a beauty pageant too minor to confer notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:18, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge and redirect to Miss Earth United States or Miss Earth 2001. Both "feeder" pageant and Miss Earth have articles, this individual won the inaugural USA event the first year it was held, appears to be an adequately notable pageant for national-level winners to have articles.  Montanabw (talk)  02:53, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you arguing for inherent notability of all national winners of this minor pageant? Whether they have significant coverage in RS or not? I'll go out on a limb and call that a minority position. I'd be ok with a redirect (I still think deletion is more appropriate), but a keep is unsupportable without meeting GNG. — swpb T 12:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That's an open question. I think we need to create NPAGEANT so that there is a guideline as to which pageants are the major ones and which ones are not.  For now, remember that redirects are better than redlinks, which are usually an open invitation to recreate the article.  A bluelink redirect preserves edit history and makes it simple to expand when it is more suitable. A redlink just invites another poor-quality article.  I believe that WP:BEFORE also encourages this.  Montanabw (talk)  20:25, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If you want to work on NPAGEANT, by all means. There's no reason this AfD needs to wait for it to be done. And FWIW, WP:BEFORE really doesn't "encourage" a redirect here. It says: "consider [emphasis mine] merging or redirecting...particularly if the topic name is a likely search term" (which this isn't). Putting forward arguments for redirecting is fine, and your other arguments are even somewhat persuasive, but please avoid suggesting policy support where it doesn't exist. — swpb T 18:52, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Music1201  talk  02:01, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Incorporate into pageant articles at most. Engleham (talk) 18:43, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete She and her title are already noted in this article: Miss Earth 2001. There is no need for this article WP:UNDUE. No significant coverage of Royce in any sources. Then the winner of "Miss Earth 2001" is noted in this article: Miss Earth. This is an encyclopedia not a fan site. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 04:21, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.