Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abigail Spanberger


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in Virginia, 2018. (non-admin closure) Nosebagbear (talk) 11:45, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Abigail Spanberger

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I really hate that I have to do this again. I created a redirect for this non-notable political candidate, because it's a reasonable search term, but it is clear on the sources given that the subject is not notable per WP:GNG. Only coverage is about her candidacy, most sources in the article are not the in-depth coverage we look for. Fails WP:NPOL as a political candidate running for, but not holding, major office. If she wins, she's notable, but that election is four months away. I want the redirect restored, but I've grown weary of merely undoing the edits done after my redirect. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:41, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in Virginia, 2018 until/unless she actually wins the seat. All the cited coverage in the press is local, interview-based, prompted solely by the fact that she is the current Democratic candidate in that district, and frankly pretty much all the same story. She has no notability for anything prior to winning the nomination. The rest of the article is basically a delineation of her various campaign stances and endorsements. Wikipedia shouldn't be used as an adjunct to a campaign website. Having said that, I'm open to persuasion that the coverage she has received so far does qualify as passing GNG, but for now I'd say no. Voceditenore (talk) 14:25, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in Virginia, 2018. This is the usual outcome for candidates running for a federal (or national) office. Any pertinent information about the campaign can be added to the election page. --Enos733 (talk) 14:48, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I'm the person who put together the page. I was wondering why this page would be taken down when the following are still up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Ortiz_Jones and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_McGrath Too Many Food Service Professionals (talk) 18:29, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I believe (without rechecking either of those pages) that they have much deeper sourcing than this candidate. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:33, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Too Many Food Service Professionals, Amy McGrath was notable prior to the campaign as the first female Marine to fly in an F/A-18 on a combat mission and being admitted to the Aviation Museum of Kentucky Hall of Fame. While the coverage of Gina Ortiz Jones stems primarily from her campaign, note that, like that of Amy McGrath and unlike that of Abigail Spanberger, the coverage of her campaign and primary win was national, not merely local. Voceditenore (talk) 10:43, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Now that I've taken a quick look at them both, I believe McGrath is notable, but I have doubts about Ortiz Jones. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:14, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The Ortiz Jones AfD was very contentious with many keep votes and was overturned to no consensus during a deletion review. I was a firm redirect, but hers was tricky because she received coverage beyond her local area. SportingFlyer  talk  05:32, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect: per Enos733. See WP:POLOUTCOMES and WP:NPOL. Just like everyone else, she can get a page if and when she wins the election. Marquardtika (talk) 03:02, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I understand where you're all coming from, but the race has been covered by national media. She was on the cover of Time a few months ago, has been on MSNBC three times, was profiled in Elle and Glamour and covered in the Washington Post, POLITICO, the Financial Times, NPR, RealClearPolitics and many others. Because Dave Brat defeated Eric Cantor people in the media are talking about how she can repeat history.

Would it help if I rewrote sections of the article to include more citations from national media? I'm happy to back this all up with links. - TooManyFoodServiceProfessionals


 * Redirect Restoring the redirect is proper and there probably needs to be a better way to do this than to keep taking redirected political articles to AfDs, since this will keep happening. SportingFlyer  talk  05:32, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect. This is not showing the depth of coverage it takes to make a candidate notable just for being a candidate — that requires coverage that explodes to Christine O'Donnell proportions, and is not instantly passed by every candidate the moment one extralocal media outlet mentions her name — every single candidate who runs at all is always going to have her name mentioned in national media at least once or twice. Appearing on TV as an interview guest is not support for notability either, as that makes her the speaker and not the subject. Wikipedia's notability test is not "has she been in the news lately", it is "has she been in the news for reasons that would pass the ten-year test for enduring significance" — the notability test is showing evidence that people will still be looking for this article in 2028 because she accomplished something, like winning the election and thereby holding office, that makes her permanently notable. Having an article about every single person whose name happens to get into the news cycle is not what we're here for, and the volume of coverage actually being shown here is not enough to make her a special case over and above most other candidates in most other districts who are also getting their names into the news cycle right now. Bearcat (talk) 18:17, 21 July 2018 (UTC)


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