Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abneet Bharti (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 14:31, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Abneet Bharti
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Nominating this page again for deletion. Obviously doesn't pass WP:NFOOTY and still doesn't actually pass WP:GNG.

Going by the last time this article was nominated for deletion, it seems that User:Struway2 had some comments in regards to some of the sources listed, such as some of them linking back to a questionable source such as sportskeeda and Bharti's agent being close to the sources.

User:Aksportpro mentions that he is a very notable athlete in his home country and the country he was playing in at the time (Portugal). I doubt at all he was known in Portugal and searching for sources, it proves that he wasn't reported on much and for India, he is nowhere near the mainstream at all, especially when it comes to football. He gets a couple of articles but that isn't enough to justify notability on wikipedia. Football wise, he has yet to even be called-up to any of the India teams (youth or senior) and there is nothing about him coming to play in either the I-League or Indian Super League, our professional leagues.

Also, someone asked about football journalism in India. It isn't the best and there is a lot of agent work done in India to get headlines for their players. A few articles is nice but it shouldn't justify a page for a player. Instead, those sources should be used for the article once the player is notable. Many young Indian players get these types of articles and we can't make one for every young player that gets a full-length article. Also, reading this wikipedia article again, a lot of it sounds like a fluff piece. ArsenalFan700 (talk) 19:40, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
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 * Weak Keep per the last nomination - he's clearly been talked about in the press and feature articles have been written on him which seem to pass WP:GNG. SportingFlyer  talk  23:53, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Both features that are not sporskeeda are from 2014 when he was moving to Real Valladoloid. Articles are always made for Indian footballers whenever a young one goes abroad. It isn't anything groundbreaking and nothing really has been done since besides maybe a few articles here and there. Even in the features, he hasn't done anything extraordinary. He went to a Spanish youth side for a little bit before bouncing around some random European clubs but none are fully-pro. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if majority of the articles are done through his agent which wouldn't be a surprise in India. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 00:31, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm looking particularly at the IBT Times and Khelnow articles, and a before search shows other feature articles have been written about him in several different languages that aren't related to the sportskeeda articles. Upgrading it to Keep now I've actually done a before search. SportingFlyer  talk  01:55, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I honestly can not believe that. Khelnow isn't even a reliable source. It is a blog website and the writers are not actual journalists. Many of them come from sportskeeda. The IBT Times article is from 2014 and is just a feature about his life. How is one feature from 2014 counting for notability? Also have you looked into the content of these foreign articles? How many of them actually provide enough information to show that this guy is an actual notable footballer and not just something more than an amateur footballer. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 04:13, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Aksportpro (talk) 09:43, 8 December 2018 (UTC)Aksportpro
 * Comment: BTW, I am trying to find more about the calciomercado nomination. The source links to an article written by an Indian writer. I know this is wikipedia and we shouldn't be saying anything outlandish but honestly wouldn't surprise me if Bharti was included just because he was an Indian playing abroad and/or some agent work. There isn't even a description of why Bharti is included in the best U21 list, just his name. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 04:13, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, per me in the last AfD. Fails WP:GNG by not being the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources witha reputaton for editorial integrity independent both of each other and of the subject. It's easy for a player's representative to get stuff into online media: that particular representative's website mentions media exposure on their about page. They also mention sportskeeda, a self-publishing site, as one of the websites they use: the Yahoo Sports piece cited in the article is taken from and credited to sportskeeda. The firstpost.com piece is a press release, and as such explicitly not independent of the subject. The IB Times piece is highly derivative of it, and although that site may be reliable now, in 2014 it was largely a purveyor of high-volume clickbait. The mainstream media snippets e.g. this mentioned at the last AfD show him signing for Sintrense, and the article's infobox includes stats for that club. Soccerway has Sintrense data since 2013/14: in that time, no-one called Bharti, and no Indian player, has played for that club's first team. Nor can I find anything in the Portuguese media about his Sintrense career: one might have thought an Indian player enough of a novelty to have got a mention. Again, he may have been at Valladolid in some capacity, but his name doesn't appear on their youth team squad lists, which were archived regularly on the Wayback Machine. Start here and go backwards and forwards in date and up and down the age groups: he's not there. So, if all we've got are puff pieces and exaggerations on self-publishing sites and other online media readily accessible to an assiduous intermediary, I don't see that as a GNG pass. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:03, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 11:37, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails GNG Spiderone  19:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: The article was nominated for deletion earlier but the community decided that it would stay. The same user is always requesting to delete the page. The athlete is notable also in other countries. For example, most recently there was a contract offer from Club America in Mexico and it was widely written about in Mexican media also.  . They are all well known source. Some more examples: Also lastly, the comment made about how Indian media works based on agent contact, etc. How can you justify this answer with 100% facts? After doing research I managed to find an official document of Sintrense which you can have a look by clicking the document reference letter pdf at the bottom of this scouting page. I don't think you could find more official and verifiable document than this. Regarding the stats, in Portugal only the Campeonanto Portugal is covered by Soccerway, Sintrense first team also plays in a regional Lisbon area League/Cup where Abneet played. The 13 games were taken from Zerozero is official statistics for all leagues in Portugal,soccerway even uses them to update their stats for the third division in Portugal. The article can be modified, changed can be made and that's not a problem, this article has been nominated the second time by the exact same person. (first time it was agreed that it's good enough to be on wikipedia). I just hope this wikipedia community understands and this article is not deleted just because of personal problems of some individual who has been requesting deletion over and over again. Like I said, required changed can be made.
 * Your two Mexican sources don't really count for anything other than routine transfer stuff. Don't know how that would contribute for GNG. Not sure about the official document. No one is denying him being with the Portuguese side, just that he played. The ZeroZero site says he was born in Poland. Also, the article wasn't kept last time because it was deemed notable enough. It was closed due to no common consensus. Literally, that is what the closing admin said. By the way, why do you only do stuff on wikipedia when it comes to Abneet Bharti? --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 20:15, 8 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - the appearances for Sintrense are effectively worthless when discussing this player – the club plays in the Portuguese third tier, which isn't a WP:FPL, and he thus fails WP:NFOOTY. As to WP:GNG, the comment by Struway2 is what sways my vote to be a delete – of the references that aren't WP:ROUTINE, the quality of the sites and pieces isn't enough to meet GNG. 21.colinthompson (talk) 22:13, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 * delete Doesn't meet the notability standards for soccer players and the coverage is focused on him changing teams. These transactions are typical of every pro soccer player so I'd say the coverage is not enough to meet the GNG.Sandals1 (talk) 19:37, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Player is well recognized and well known in multiple media sources in multiple languages. Player is not your average youth footballer, he is notable with good media following him and not all media can be deemed like agent work, etc.94.75.72.146 (talk) 20:38, 10 December 2018 (UTC)elcapitao


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