Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abner-Drury Brewery


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The result was WP:SNOW keep. Despite a few voices in opposition, the outcome of this discussion is now overwhelmingly clear. BD2412 T 17:26, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Abner-Drury Brewery

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This brewery doesn't seem to be notable. The article only cites two sources, one of which is a primary source and the other seems to only be a trivial mention in a book about prohibition. Plus, all I could find about it in a WP:BEFORE was some basic business lists and trivial mentions in court documents related to an antitrust case. So, there's nothing that helps it pass WP:GNG or WP:NCORP. Adamant1 (talk) 05:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. As per nominator. Not enough reliable sources. Does not pass WP:GNG or WP:NCORP. Knox490 (talk) 12:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 05:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, we did quite a bit of work on this one. Would you mind having another look as seeing if you still feel like it is a delete? Thanks! Lightburst (talk) 02:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You pinged the wrong person. Shellwood (talk) 04:38, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Washington, D.C.-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 05:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. I've found a bunch of articles in The Washington Post (in a paywalled database, which might explain why they're hard to find) and a whole profile of the business, complete with photos. I've added some info to the article. My favorite hit so far is from a history of FDR's early presidency: "At 12:01 a.m. on the first day of legal beer, Hawaiian guitarists drew a crowd as a truck from Washington's Abner Drury Brewery pulled up at the White House with a sign: 'PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT, THE FIRST BEER IS FOR YOU'." That's from AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:36, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep Now ten sources but not all are sufficient for Notability purposes. Two sources are travel guides, they are OK for the cited facts but not notability. The masters thesis I don't think it qualifies for notability. As a reminder, "significant" doesn't mean volume of text, rather significance of what is being said in terms of indicating notability. The remaining 7 contain significant coverage per WP:GNG. (This list may change as new sources appear still early in the AfD).  --  Green  C  16:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable company. WP:NTEMP. I have added some RS and a see also section. I am able to easily find many articles in newsprint. Unfortunately my account is buggy at the moment. Very notable company however. The subject has WP:SIGCOV. Lightburst (talk) 17:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * KEEP The article has been massively improved today, ample reliable sources confirming notability. I find it amusing that Time magazine mentioned how this brewery delivered alcohol to the President as soon as prohibition ended.  http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,847283,00.html I can't access the whole article, but found that amusing.    D r e a m Focus  17:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * KEEP WP:HEY  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 17:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * keep per HEY. Nice work! DiamondRemley39 (talk) 22:25, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, even post-HEY, as not meeting NCORP. Looking at this version of the article: the contemporaneous newspaper sources are primary (and local). The guide books are... well, guide books. It's like saying something is notable because it's in the phone book. The point of a guide book is to be comprehensive... they generally list all, or major, "points of interest" in a city, but being a "point of interest" doesn't make the "point" notable. For example, Abner-Drury Brewery might be included in a list of breweries in Washington DC, but it's not NCORP-notable. The rest of the sources are less-than-one-sentence brief mentions, as far as I can tell. I don't see WP:THREE sources. Also, it didn't exist for very long, so I'm not seeing any independent reason for notability. Lots of breweries came and went in many cities over the years, and you'll find all of them written about in contemporaneous newspapers and guidebooks. There's nothing recent or non-local outside of guidebooks and brief mentions AFAICS. Le v ! v ich 02:28, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, per sourcing identified/meeting GNG. Undoubtedly more sourcing from a century ago exists, but this serves our readers fine until more is added which is routine editing. Gleeanon409 (talk) 03:08, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: The story of the post-Prohibition celebration seems to have entered into history; it's discussed in at least of three of the sources not in the article. I think that this demonstrates notability. — Toughpigs (talk) 03:45, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Good article (now), and clearly worth keeping. They might have to rename Heymann > Abner-Drury Brewery. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:48, 6 August 2020 (UTC)


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