Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abominations of Desolation (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. postdlf (talk) 15:54, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Abominations of Desolation
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Hi, this page should be deleted as it fails Wikipedia's Notability rule and the first time it was nominated the result wasn't kept (the result was to merge it which it hasn't been.) Per NMG: "All Unreleased material (including demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only recordings) is only notable if it has significant independent coverage in reliable sources." Lukejordan02 (talk) 19:59, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * keep This page is not just about demo. It is about an album, which was recorded as a demo in 1986, but then it was officially released as an album on Earache records in 1991. I think the page should therefore not be deleted. --Wurzel91 (talk) 09:20, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep on like 10 other wikipedias and notable enough.--Old Time Music Fan (talk) 00:50, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: This AfD was created without the afd2 template and never listed on a daily log page. I've added the template and will relist on the current day's log.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Finngall  talk  21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:34, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:34, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Band are notable and given that this was a released album then it should be okay. According to their discography, it even charted in one country.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 10:06, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. The problem with this article is that it has no proof of notability. None of the three references demonstrate notability. Per WP:NALBUMS, an album doesn't inherit notability from the band; it must have its own notability. The note, above, that the album is on other wikipedias doesn't matter -- each Wikipedia has its own standards, and each article in the English Wikipedia must be evaluated here. Also, despite its eventual release, it was just a demo album. Having said that, this album is mentioned in several books (e.g.,, , ). However, the mention is brief and sometimes disparaging ("Azagthoth felt the songs didn't reach their potential...and sacked everybody in the band but guitarist Richard Brunelle"). I couldn't find any full length review of the album. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 02:40, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:33, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. The band's website or the listing on Amazon don't go towards establishing notability, but the review on AllMusic does. Being briefly mentioned in several books helps too.  This album was originally a demo, but then it was officially released, so it's not just a demo any more.  Also, if a reviewer, or the artist, doesn't like the album, that doesn't make it any less notable. — Mudwater (Talk) 12:44, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. I can remember this album coming out - and that it had a ltd edition box set with the CD.  That was in the days before the web was widely available so I could only have read about it in the mainstream UK metal magazines (kerrang or metal hammer).  Sadly such magazines of mine were recycled many years ago so I can't add a reference but maybe someone can Willzuk (talk) 18:01, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
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