Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Above Top Secret


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The result was   delete. § FreeRangeFrog croak 17:17, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Above Top Secret

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Fails GNG - promotional/vanity article. This article about the conspiracy theory message board Above Top Secret (ATS) has 28 references, of which, 16 are to the site abovetopsecret.com itself, 4 are back to Wikipedia, and the substance of the rest are to conspiracy blogs like illuminatirex.com and members.fortunecity.com/groom51. One RS ref to WIRED and another to Scientific American contain only passing and incidental mentions to specific posts on ATS. Several other references to RS sources don't actually mention ATS at all (e.g. a citation to MSNBC in a paragraph mentioning that the Terri Schiavo case was discussed in ATS is used simply to source the fact Terri Schiavo died). We have placed a verification tag on this article for the last 4 years and it has not improved in that time. A thorough search for RS finds nothing of the substance or breadth that would justify this message board's inclusion (note there are numerous references to the unrelated book titled "Above Top Secret" from which this message board takes its name but has no direct relationship). BlueSalix (talk) 17:36, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2014 November 22.  — cyberbot I  Notify Online 18:00, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. Dbrodbeck (talk) 22:30, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. Nickm57 (talk) 23:46, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete A conspiracy theory message board that reliable secondary sources have failed to give serious and in-depth coverage to. - LuckyLouie (talk) 19:40, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete GNG fail. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 03:58, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete; if a topic has little coverage by independent sources, and it's in WP:FRINGE territory, then it's impossible for us to maintain a neutral article. bobrayner (talk) 23:59, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Insufficient coverage in reliable sources. It should be noted that much of the article is WP:OR, based on nothing beyond contributors' own analysis of the website. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:31, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong delete - simply fails to meet any of our standards, either of reliability or of notability. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  01:40, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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