Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abraham, Ethnus, Acrates, James, and John


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The result was delete. A listing at List of Coptic saints and the creation of (individual) redirects remains possible.  Sandstein  10:01, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Abraham, Ethnus, Acrates, James, and John

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No evidence of notability. Has one source, from 1924, which is a thousand-page dictionary of saints and has this to say about these five, in its entirety: "Mm., venerated in Ethiopia. F. 3 Aug. Cal. Copt". Google search doesn't turn up anything. Dan Bloch (talk) 20:27, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:05, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethiopia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:05, 5 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as failing WP:SIGCOV unless a source can be found which as a minimum explains why they were venerated. Message me is WP:HEY is attained. Geschichte (talk) 11:11, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * They were venerated as martyrs - that's what "Mm." means above. StAnselm (talk) 21:27, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Martyrs in what situation? Geschichte (talk) 19:16, 11 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. Recognised as saints by a major church. Generally we see such people as notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:22, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for that? Per Geschichte, the article fails WP:GNG.  It also fails WP:BASIC.
 * Keep. I am struggling to find anything, but I think we can presume that there will be offline sources in Amharic. StAnselm (talk) 21:18, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:HEY is welcome, but there's no automatic notability here. Where is the guideline or precedent that states this in the absence of sources beyond a passing mention grouping these five unknowns together? Reywas92Talk 03:33, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Coptic saints. That article would be better if is specified the saints day for each saint.  There is no content in this article except a series of names and that they were martyrs, who are all venerated on one day.  If detail can be provided, it could be kept, but unless they were martyred together, they would need separate articles.  Saints are commonly notable, but we need some biographic content.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:46, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * A redirect doesn't make sense. First, these saints don't appear on the suggested target page.  Second, if redirects were created, they should appear under the names of the individual saints, not grouped like this. Dan Bloch (talk) 15:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV. The one source we have is very brief and not significant coverage. No other sources can be found.4meter4 (talk) 02:47, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


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