Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abraham Mutholath


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The result was delete. Barkeep49 (talk) 03:04, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Abraham Mutholath

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Non notable priest. All the references are self published or from associated pages and none exist from independent sources. Probable vanity page with a prominent link on their family website - MUTHOLATH FAMILY: FR. ABRAHAM MUTHOLATH - to this Wikipedia page. Fails WP:GNG  Jupitus Smart  04:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Leaning towards delete per policy arguments but could do with more input from established editors citing policy, either way.
 * Delete: A non notable priest and no sigcov from independent reliable sources. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 09:49, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Very Rev Fr. Abraham Mutholath is a most reputed and Graceful Priest who live today with high reputation. I never seen any Priest is doing such a proactive selfless service to people regardless of religion, cast etc. reservations. He was a Vicar General for St. Thomas Syro Malabar Diocese, Chicago for more than twelve years and currently serving as Forane Priest of Sacred Heart Knanaya Catholic Church, Maywood, Chicago, Illinois, USA. The Priest who devote his life for poor and differently abled children- Very Rev Fr. Abraham Mutholath is a true mentor for all Seminarians and Young Priests. The Scientific development of Social Service Society and women empowerment is known to everyone and Kottayam Social Service Society and it's famous works is received several awards and recognition from several state and federal agencies and that is one of the Mutholath Achan's achievement. He save every penny he received from Priestly Job and religious services and his properties received from his father and donated to Kottayam Diocese and Kottayam Social Service Society. He is the man live his life in a very small room with most fewer amount of living expense. There are many many untold information about this Priest who is a true copy of living Christ Jesus. Very Rev Fr. Abraham Mutholath is true Priest with outmost devotion and pure heart for poor, oppressed and differently abled Children. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.66.79.215 (talk) 05:05, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I agree with your opinion. But this encyclopedia does not work like this. We need sources to verify this. Can you show some relibale sources to prove these statements. If so, I will strike out my vote. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 08:23, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep -- He appears to be one rank below bishop, but exercising a ministry on wider basis than merely a local church. Knanaya is a group within the longstanding Christian community of Kerala, India.  The eparchy (diocese) of Chicago covers the whole of USA, with 42 parishes.  He is also author of several books.  I think there is just about enough to keep.  If he were merely the minister of one church, I would have my doubts.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:53, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * He does not appear to be the head of the eparchy (its Mar Jacob Angadiath with Mar Joy Alappat as the auxiliary bishop). He is not even the head of the few Knanaya Catholic parishes in the largely Syro-Malabar Catholic eparchy per the reference provided in the article - KNANAYA REGION PARISHES AND MISSIONS - which appears to be Msgr. Thomas Mulavanal. He is only one of the priests there. Also the larger problem is the lack of references from independent sources discussing him.  Jupitus Smart  16:48, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Very Rev. Fr. Abraham Mutholath’s credibility is unquestionable and his information is recorded properly in www.Kottayamad.org, www.stthomasdiocese.org, www.knanayaregion.us, www.shkcparish.us, www.kcschicago.com and may more. His life is public record with highest reputation. He belongs to Mutholath family and this family have their own website and family tree record with family history book. As a one of the family member, his information is provided in their family webpage and it’s just. Very Rev Fr. Mutholath is given all credible proof within his page to establish who he is. It’s totally unacceptable and injustice to question him without verifying the facts from the website.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.66.79.56 (talk) 14:44, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I am so sorry to see that someone is questioning Very Rev Fr. Abraham and his credibility. This honorable Catholic priest is a living saint with true passion and devotion to Christ Jesus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.66.79.56 (talk) 14:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Clearly does not meet notability. I think considering how many under sourced articles we have on bishops, we need to revisit our presumption of notability for bishops as well.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:51, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep this article - I reviewed the article and my observation is that Abraham Mutholath is a notable priest because he is extraordinary in many aspects. Though not now, he was vicar general of a diocese, he has contributed a lot for charitable projects with a vision, even started a foundation to continue his legacy, he authored many books, and made himself a role model for many. Those who have contributed the article have proved their posting with the pictures of the buildings Abraham donated for the disabled and the books he has authored. If the policy of supporting evidence is not enough, let the authors fix them rather than deleting the whole article. I would like to see this article to be kept for the Wikipedia viewers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.236.73.132 (talk) 13:26, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * What is notability? It was interesting to read the comments at talk to discuss on deleting this article. I went through a few websites mentioned in the discussion thread to learn about Fr. Abraham. It was an interesting journey. He got few firsts to be identified as notable: the first Vicar General of the St. Thomas Syro-Malabar Diocese of Chicago and the first director of Knanaya Catholic Region. Both of them were appointed positions in catholic church by a Bishop. As a catholic priest and in the catholic community, it is notable. Furthermore, he became instrumental to establish and construct eight churches across the United States and donated few churches in the Diocese of Miao, in India.He is also a known author. He authored few non-fiction and a fiction book. He wrote a screenplay for a Malayalam movie.Another significantly admired but not that much popularized area of his contribution is in social service. He established a sustainable re-habilitation and empowering center for physically disabled in the state of Kerala, India. This could be an ideal model for self- supportive rehabilitation. Later, Government of India approved this center as a nodal center to train blind people. Will these credentials fall under the notable criteria of Wikipedia? I do firmly believe he is a notable person, and this page cannot delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.191.50.82 (talk) 2021-04-01T20:21:43 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 22:49, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * KEEP IT: I went through the details of this article and did some study on the data given. I am impressed with Abraham Mutholath who is different in many aspects. What attracts me is that he has done great contributions for the welfare of the disabled people. He held high positions in the church. He is the leader of Knanayology team. He is the president of Knanaya Global Foundation and founder of Fr. Abraham Mutholathu Foundation. I would like to see this article live in Wikipedia for the information of the public. 50.236.73.130 (talk) 07:31, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:GNG, Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes, and WP:TOOSOON. He is at the level of vicar general, which is roughly equivalent to a monsignor or canon. Those titles or ranks do not automatically give rise to notability. Priests are not automatically notable. I agree with the consensus that we not keep such articles. However, he is young enough where he could still be appointed a bishop or cardinal by the Pope. For the record, arguing over notability after 20 years that Wikipedia has been in existence is not a good faith argument. Also for the record, I am a member of the wider Catholic church, and have created several articles about bishops; I moved the Pope Francis article to its current name immediately after he was elected. Bearian (talk) 20:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails GNG.--MadD (talk) 11:04, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * NOTABLE: I had started this article almost two years ago (30 July 2019) not because Abraham Mutholath was vicar general but as a person who does a lot of humanitarian activities from his own earnings. He contributed to many fields like screenplay writing, author of several popular books in Malayalam, and introduced self-help groups and community-based rehabilitation programs for the disabled in Kerala state, India. So, I considered him as a notable priest. Now the decision is yours … — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacobbijo1 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: The conversation has been refactored to make it more readable. ~  Aseleste  (t, e &#124; c, l) 02:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: As noted by Daniel: Needs more policy-based input from established editors.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:40, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin: Except some suspicious comments from IP's, all other users were in favour of deleting this article. This made me wonder why this was actually relisted and is taking this much time to get closed. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 06:00, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: no significant coverage. close examination shows that most of the sources given are primary non reliable sources.defcon5 (talk) 05:33, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Definitely promotional biography about a subject that doesn't meet notability guidelines. It's too detailed with no sufficient sources. Also i have noticed a number of IPs commenting keep... definitely a promo piece. TheChronium (talk) 11:47, 20 April 2021 (UTC)


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