Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abraham the Writer


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The result was keep. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:46, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Abraham the Writer

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I'm not familiar with Syrian Orthodox Church saints but my searches ("Abraham the Writer saint") and "Abraham the Writer Syrian Orthodox Church" and also combining both) found nothing good (only mirrors and such) or evidence from that listed book, A Biographical Dictionary of the Saints. Now notice how searches for Abraham of Smolensk here confirm that one exists but for this Abraham the Writer. I'd hate to think this is fabricated but there's simply no good evidence. I would ping the author, User:John Carter, for commenting but he doesn't seem to be that active. I also find it interesting no one has actually edited this article since inception and is not linked to any other article. At best, if this exists, it's probably better to move elsewhere. SwisterTwister   talk  20:58, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you saying it isn't in the listed book, or were you just not able to access it? StAnselm (talk) 00:13, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Both I suppose, I found the book at Google Books but it made no obvious mention of this through the search results (it's not free to view and there wasn't any other way to look at the book further). If it actually mentions it, it'll be briefly and probably exactly what this article looks like and more of a compilation for that book. SwisterTwister   talk  01:11, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. &mdash;&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·E·C) 21:09, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. &mdash;&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·E·C) 21:09, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment -- I think we should assume good faith on the part of the creator. Looking at the category, Category:Syrian saints I find several others called St Abraham, mostly from the Syriac church, but with different saint's days.  The same book is cited as a source in others.  It is possible that our problem is that the 1924 dictionary compiler translated a Syriac descriptor; non knowing the language I cannot translate "writer" back into Syriac.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:19, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ☮ JAaron95  Talk   12:50, 15 August 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep for the same reason as Peterkingiron: the epithet "the writer" may not be sufficiently exact to find him.  DGG ( talk ) 19:31, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:09, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Saints of well-established churches are generally held to be notable. I think we have to assume good faith that he does appear in the cited source, although it would be nice if someone was able to check the reference. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:02, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


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