Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abu Torab


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 10:23, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Abu Torab

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Historical scholarship in English language does not document, much less discuss, the existence of our subject except at this (p. 245) single line. India's subaltern response to colonialism, esp. working class revolts, have been studied extensively and for someone, who was (apparently) the first Bengali rebel against EIC and a hero in the history of Bengal, this absence is striking. (One Abu Torab, Fauzdar of "Chakla Bhushna", is mentioned in some sources but they are not identical; the Fauzdar Torab was killed by a Sitaram in around 1714!)

A couple of romantic historical fictions (Chowdhury and Shahidullah) in vernacular is cited in our article, alongside a newspaper editorial. One blog has been cited. A book on farmer revolts in East Bengal (Jalil) has been cited; this would have been significant if it were not published by a local press and authored by a lawyer. TrangaBellam (talk) 21:31, 17 April 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:37, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bangladesh and India. TrangaBellam (talk) 21:31, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources found. In page 17 of [|The Tempest: A Monthly Review of National Affairs] it says "Choudhury Abu Torab was also a powerful Zaminder who was the owner of Sandwip, Hatia and Bamani. He had a position in the royal court of Murshidabad . After the fall of Dilwar Khan of Sandwip Choudhury Abu Torab became its owner". [|In Cambridge South Asian Studies] - Issue 7 - Page 245 it says "Abu Torab Choudhury of Sandwip who opposed him was branded a rebel and killed in action , and his military commander Mulkan was publicly hanged at Verelst's instance". In [|Bangladesh District Gazetteers - Volume 9 - Page 477] it says "Chowdhury Abu Turab Khan was the Zaminder of Sandwip , Hatiya and Bamni islands . He later on became a Zaminder of a Nizampur Pargana . He claimed descent from Bakhtear Mahiswar of Sandwip . His son was Ali Raza and Chowdhury Jamal Khan". He is also covered in the Hisory of Chittagong written by Syed Murtaza Ali and History of Banglesh by Sirajul Islam.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 05:36, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, "Tempest: A Monthly Review of National Affairs" is precisely the kind of source that we shall strive to use when writing an article on S. Asian History. Not RS for our purposes.
 * I did find the second source and mentioned it in nomination.
 * District gazetteers contain rank nonsense, written by career bureaucrats with no training in history. Not RS for our purposes.
 * Murtaza Ali was not a historian and his romantic sub-nationalist histories, drafted about fifty years ago, are not reliable for Wikipedia. Ten citations (acc. to GScholar), most of which are in articles on regional biogeography. Reviews of his other works are neither impressive. Not RS for our purposes. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:06, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge It seems like the subject is notable enough to merit a mention. It may just be easier to merge the content into an article about the history of Bengal. Balon Greyjoy (talk) 06:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete, as it fails WP:V, notability requires reliable sources which is yet to be presented. It's preferable to not have an article on the subject than reproduce a semi-mythological narrative as a factual one. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 04:46, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge It is better to be deleted or at most to merge it in an adequate related article. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 17:57, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.