Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abutre's


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 03:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Abutre's
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Fails criteria for WP:BLP. This article contains significant negative information about living persons, but only offers one article in Portuguese to verify the long list of allegations against five named persons and the club as a whole (54 chapters, unknown number of people per chapter). There are perhaps 20 news articles found by Google that mention this group, but they are all in Portuguese. The language issue would not normally be grounds for any action because the article could wait for translation help. But this article has remained in a poorly-cited state for three years now. If these accusations of drug dealing, extortion, prostitution and so on are false, how many more years will they remain here damaging the reputations of a sizable number of living people waiting for Portuguese and English speaker come along undo the damage?

BLP says "We must get the article right" but even if a skilled translator were to come along, aren't there hundreds of far more important articles about Brazil and Portugal that need attention? It might well be that articles detailing lurid criminality by living people, based solely on non-English sources are beyond the current capabilities of en.Wikipedia. Going into this much depth on topics without any English-language secondary sources might have to wait for a future time when circumstances change, but that would avoid harm to real people, at the cost of an article of very low importance.

All the negative information could be deleted, but then what is left to justify notability? The fact that they like to ride black choppers? Dbratland (talk) 01:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions.  -- Cyber cobra  (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  -- Cyber cobra  (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete not enough coverage from independent reliable secondary sources. Algébrico (talk) 22:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  22:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 01:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. Only 5 G News hits in Portuguese, all related to the same incident. Portuguese Wikipedia article pt:Abutre's_Moto_Clube is even less informative than the English version. --CronopioFlotante (talk) 22:09, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.