Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Accreditation Governing Commission of the United States of America


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. As Butseriously states, verifiability is not the sole criterion for the inclusion of an article. Being included on a list, however reliable it may be, is not a sufficient assertion of notability. yandman 13:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Accreditation Governing Commission of the United States of America

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Fails WP:CORP. Unnotable company. This group is not a authoritized United States accreditor, and thus its accreditation is meaningless. That means this is a company. Unnotable, undescriptive, no claims of notability, etc. The website is registered to "John Doe" and has no phone number, email address, or mail address. How can you have an article without sources? Arbustoo 23:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment If so, and this is referrred to, we have all the more reason to source and keep the article. DGG' 04:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. What do you mean if? The link I supplied above shows this is not a legimate accreditor. Thus, it is an accreditation mill. An article about an accreditation mill is worthless if the article just says what its not and lacks WP:RS telling what it is. It already appears on List of unrecognized accreditation associations of higher learning, and that's good enough. Delete as NN. Arbustoo 14:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - I believe this company is notable within its category; the article is a stub and needs to be added to, not deleted. -- Orange Mike 16:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment What are you sources for proving it is "notable within its category"? I disagree that it appears notable, hence the afd. Please offer to proof to assert this. Arbustoo 21:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions.  -- Noroton 15:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Not a single source and nothing that points to notability. Pax:Vobiscum 19:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The Sources have been there from the very first, though not visible unless the article was looked at  carefully--which I did not do last night. I have just reformatted them for increased visibility, and there should be no more question. Expansion wouldn't hurt, but that's an editing question. it should be obvious that a notable purported accreditor is as worthy of an article as a real one--and the article serves a real purpose, for it can now be linked to if some diploma milll or the like should list it as a source.DGG 22:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: How do you expand it when there are no sources for it? The website is registered to "John Doe" and there is no names, addresses or phone numbers. Is this a scam? Is it real? The "sources" are simply two lists that say its no a recognized accreditor. According to WP:CORP, we should have multiple non-trival sources. Feel free to find and add the sources. Until then it is clearly not notable. Its claims and mention on two lists does not mean it is wikiworthy. Arbustoo 01:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - I share Arbustoo's view that this organization is an accreditation mill. I created the article to provide documentation of the claims made by this outfit and the evidence for listing it as an "unrecognized accreditation association of higher learning." Several diploma mills claim authenticity based on accreditation by them (for example, see this page), so an article about their status could be helpful to people who might otherwise be taken in by a diploma mill. Additionally, I do not trust List of unrecognized accreditation associations of higher learning, because I have found some legitimate organizations listed there with red links (for example, American Council on Education was listed there). In my opinion, it would be an improvement if every red link on the list were replaced by an article. Minor issue: I'm dismayed that several other contributors failed to notice the references in the article I created (they were displayed in the text in the format " [1][2] ") -- many Wikipedia articles use this format to display URL references, and I thought this was an acceptable (albeit minimalistic) method of listing sources.--orlady 00:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment it being put on list does not mean 1) it notable or 2) we have enough sources for a balanced article. Those two reasons must be considered when explaining vote or keep. WP:CORP says a notable article is multiple non trival sources about the subject. Arbustoo 01:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I did notice the links you provided but, like Arbustoo pointed out, they cannot be considered "non-trivial sources". What we need is articles or books written about the subject. Pax:Vobiscum 08:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Major diploma mills that currently claim this entity as the source of their authority to grant degrees include Capitol University and University of NorthWest. Some diploma mills that formerly claimed accreditation by this outfit now say that accreditation is irrelevant (for example, see University of Northern Washington).--orlady 14:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment But that doesn't matter unless there are sources, and the current references are just mentions of the name. I'm not trying to say that the organization doesn't exist, I'm saying that if there are no non-trivial sources of information (such as books, articles about the organization), the article must be deleted per official policy. Pax:Vobiscum 14:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Orlady, 1) we need RS sources for write an article. 2) Those "major diploma mills" don't even have wikipedia articles. This article can be recreated when there is enough to write about. Until then it fails to do any parties favors. There is a solid record of removing unnotable unaccredited places. Please provide non-trival WP:RS or reconsider changing your vote. Arbustoo 17:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment further research shows "Accreditation Governing Commission of the United States of America" is not a registered business nor is a registered non profit. A search through the Chroncile of Higher Education and various news searches shows nothing. This is an unotable website. Fails WP:CORP and WP:WEB. Arbustoo 21:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment a domain check shows its website is registered to "Doe John" in ORLANDO, FL. Hardly anything we want to keep on wikipedia. Arbustoo 21:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CORP, which states that "Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability." If there were newspaper articles or govermental reports or court cases that actually discussed the subject, it might qualify, but the article does not pass WP:ATT at the moment. --Butseriouslyfolks 06:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Relisted for more opinions. Arbustoo 20:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sourced There are two excellent official government sources from different states, and that is enough. DGG 07:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:CORP states "Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability." It belong on two lists is trival. Arbustoo 23:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats not a very good interpretation of the guideline. The government entities are authoritative and reliable sources on the matter of accreditation, and inclusion on this list is considered to be an official ruling.  These lists (and these lists alone), are used by other institutions to determine the validity of credits - that alone makes these reliable sources. The WP:CORP guideline was intended to prevent using directory like listings of companies as reliables sources.  Thats obviously not the case here - Keep for passing WP:V and WP:ORG as a diploma mill. - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 01:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Just because it's true does not mean it belongs in Wikipedia. Inclusion on a list is trivial coverage.  There's no notability here. --Butseriouslyfolks 06:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.