Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Acquaintances of Susan Mayer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep or merge, which can be accomplished outside of WP:AfD. Bearian (talk) 19:50, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Acquaintances of Susan Mayer

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Fancruft, no reliable sources showing that this topic is notable. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - when a series has several minor characters spread in numerous articles, Wikipedia says that deletion should be a last resort and recommends that "articles on minor characters in a work of fiction may be merged into a "list of minor characters in ...";". The main list of characters is already too long, and this article features many characters that once were part of the main cast, such as Julie or Karl Mayer, but that are not notable enough for a separate article. Surely, there are sources discussing Andrea Bowen's portrayal or Richard Burgi's, perhaps not to split own articles for them, but at least to keep this least with real-world content. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  01:41, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, as per reasons stated above. There are various out-universe sources in the article discussing casting information and critical reception where applicable.Akcvtt (talk)
 * To both: This is not a list of characters, it's a list of characters as they relate to a certain character. That is not the same. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep, because it's a list of characters as they relate to a certain and major character. Michu1945 (talk) 07:18, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Seems to violate WP:SYN, since it is putting together a group depending on their relationship to someone. I don't think we would have an article on acquaintances of a real person, so why of a fictional one? BigJim707 (talk) 04:09, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If the problem is the way these characters are sorted, then we can create lists based on real-life stuff, such as "List of DH characters introduced in season 1", like the multiple lists of characters in the Final Fantasy or Grand Theft Auto series. But since when a "bad" sorting is a reason for deletion? Just note that, if the result of this discussion is "Delete", all information on these characters would be lost. Maybe just temporalily merging them into the main list (along with the lists of the other housewives) and then splitting into seasons would work instead of just getting rid of all info. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  05:07, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Desperate Housewives characters. The only reason the latter's too long is because it's ridiculously overflowing with minute plot details. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:13, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per Clarityfiend - character bios and plot details are duplicated in different locations; one list would be better. pablo 09:21, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Although I dislike the title of the article, it does seem helpful and relevant to those who watch the T.V. show.  I believe the article should be titled something along the lines of "List of..." et cetera, et cetera.  LogicalCreator (talk) 12:03, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * We already have List of Desperate Housewives characters; no RSes discuss the characters solely in relation to another Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:00, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:07, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:08, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:08, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep WP:IDONTLIKEIT either but it's notable. Plenty of reliable source provided in the article. RadioFan (talk) 20:21, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * 9 out of 10 references provided are to the TV show. That's not "plenty" Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:00, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Once you remove the over referencing to the show itself and its producers, we are still left with TV Guide, Entertainment Weekly and a number of blogs which reasonably reliable blogs.--RadioFan (talk) 03:22, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge anything sourceable to Susan Delfino. Most of the references in this article are of a very low quality, even if it is a notable topic, but there's no reason for a breakout article given the size of the "parent' article.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 00:48, 9 April 2012 (UTC).
 * Susan Delfino is not the parent article. In any case, the parent is the List of Desperate Housewives characters, which is already over 85 KB long. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  04:15, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge into the characters of the series list and pare back considerably on the cruft. Only 20 of the 115 sources used as references are independent, third-party sources and the few I checked were pretty inconsequential (mostly on the actor/actress with a few lines on their character). Almost all of the remaining sources used as refs are to individual episodes, which are not independent or third-party sources. There are also five refs are to a book written by ABC/Touchstone and one to the ABC web site for the Susan character - these are slightly better but still not truly independent sources. See WP:NOT particularly WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:32, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.