Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Act II: Patents of Nobility (The Turn)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. WP:TOOSOON provides that once a subject becomes notable and meets our inclusion criteria, the article may be re-created without prejudice. Mkdw talk 04:09, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Act II: Patents of Nobility (The Turn)

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NN album, unreleased album with one source. Not notable for "not being released." AFAICT, track lengths and writers are made up. MSJapan (talk) 05:40, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America1000 13:37, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America1000 13:37, 26 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: WP:TOOSOON. As far as I know, the track listing was tweeted by the artist four years ago, but he has changed his Twitter account since then so I can't confirm that. And there is is the screenshot at the foot of this article which supposedly confirms the track times – but that's hardly an RS. The track listing itself is four years old – the likelihood is that it has changed since then, especially as all sources out there say the artist has continued to work on the album. This article has been redirected to Jay Electronica four times over the last four years, and has been reverted each time – I would think another redirect would be in order until the album comes out, if and when it is ever actually released. Richard3120 (talk) 15:41, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, then clearly this article is a target for some reason, and the redirects aren't holding. Let me see if there's a remedy for this that might work. MSJapan (talk) 23:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * – Jay Electronica's first album, Act I: Eternal Sunshine (The Pledge), has also now been put up for deletion (it's completely unsourced), and I note that the article has also been redirected and restored twice during its history. So somebody is watching both these articles. Richard3120 (talk) 16:14, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * As Bob Dylan said, "It ain't me, babe", but I'll take a look at it just the same. MSJapan (talk) 22:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:38, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTALBALL. I mean seriously, a Wikipedia page on an unreleased album? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 16:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * , articles on unreleased albums happen quite a lot, but it's usually for a confirmed forthcoming album by a major artist - for the likes of Madonna or U2 or Rihanna, there's often a lot of publicity, teaser tracks, interviews and promotional work ahead of the record, enough to create a decent sourced article weeks before the album is released. But in this case we aren't talking about a major artist, and there is nothing confirmed about the album... the track listing, the release date, nothing. Richard3120 (talk) 16:14, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand. I should have explained it though that I wasn't able to source the details. We do have articles on unreleased albums or games (Duke Nukem Forever - when it was still unreleased), but they are all notable unreleased albums or games. This is a case of borderline notability and lack of sources other than simple announcements. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 16:18, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's the lack of sources at the present time that's the problem. I have no doubt that if and when this album is eventually released, it will make the Billboard 200 and there will be reviews of it, because Jay Electronica is a notable artist and he is connected with Jay-Z, Kanye West and other big names. If that happens I will gladly support the aricle's recreation, but at present it is all just poorly sourced speculation and WP:TOOSOON. Richard3120 (talk) 19:18, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete no indication of this being released. Karst (talk) 10:47, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.