Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Action – Italia Viva


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There is no consensus to delete. A merge could be discussed outside of AfD. Eddie891 Talk Work 16:27, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Action – Italia Viva

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At the moment this is just a combined list of two centrist Italian parties, which ran in one election. Its content can easily be contained in the two member parties' articles. If it were to become a new single party, then a separate article could be started. Yakme (talk) 12:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and Politics. Yakme (talk) 12:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I partially agree, maybe it's too early to have a proper article about A-IV, but we have a lot of examples of articles about electoral alliances, even in this election, and A-IV is the only one without a proper article. We also create an article regarding an electoral list built around a major party (PD-IDP) and nothing about a political alliance between two distinct parties. -- Nick.mon (talk) 12:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:36, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed I also supported merging the PD–IDP article into the PD one. There is a proliferation of articles about single-instance election lists and short-lived alliances. I think it is definitely too soon to define an "Action–IV" object. Let's see what happens after the Parliament and a new government are formed. Yakme (talk) 13:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep – It is a much needed article, as some information on this electoral list would not find space in the two main parties' respective articles. It is a Wikipedia custom to have articles on electoral lists (we even have The Right – Tricolour Flame!) and, on principle, an electoral list including the names of the main member parties is not less relevant than much minor electoral lists with different names (Greens and Left Alliance, Us Moderates, Civic Commitment, Free and Equal, The Other Europe, The Left, The Left – The Rainbow, Rose in the Fist, The Sunflower... I am going to to here, but the list would be very long!). In a nutshell, this article has more reasons to exist than most of the other articles on joint lists in Italy. --Checco (talk) 06:04, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The fact that WP:OTHERSTUFF exists does not make it right. I would indeed remove half of the articles you cited too, since they are short-lived, electoral alliances, founded on the incidental advantage of passing thresholds at elections. Most of them are not political entities. Yakme (talk) 06:14, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep it includes more parties than just IV & Azione so its more than just a joint list Braganza (talk) 12:58, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep well sourced and different enough from the main articles to justify it remaining. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 13:28, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep — I agree that WP:OTHERSTUFF exists isn't a good argument but think it has received significant coverage as an alliance that it meets the notability criteria. It entered Parliament and took much of the vote from the centre-left, and this disunity was cited by the BBC in its analysis of the election results. Even if it immediately ends and doesn't become a new party (e.g. Renew Italy), I think it'd still meet the notability criteria as an alliance. Davide King (talk) 13:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge To party articles or election article. Alliance list doesn't need its own article. Reywas92Talk 14:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as others have noted, huge impact on the 2022 Italian elections, which by bringing a Brothers of Italy-led alliance into power represent a historic and substantial (i.e. notable) shift from the post-1945 past CogitoErgoSum14 (talk) 22:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Calenda has just announced that they’ll form a joint parliamentary group in the parliament, so I think that an article is now necessary (here). -- Nick.mon (talk) 18:30, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


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