Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adalbert Brunke


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The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:55, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Adalbert Brunke

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No indication of meeting WP:N's requirements of nontrivial coverage in multiple, reliable, third-party sources. All I could find was one 100th birthday announcement and a handful of obituaries, most of which seem to repeat the same information. None of this meets the requirement of making "a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field". As far as I can tell, the only reason his death got as much notice as it did was because of his connection to Nelson Mandela, and notability is not inherited. Canadian  Paul  22:50, 3 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep -- He was the first bishop of the Lutheran Church in South Africa, that's not something he "inherited". A Lutheran bishop is for sure notable. HerkusMonte (talk) 11:26, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
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"*Delete doesn't seem to be notable at all.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 14:38, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Bishops of major denominations are normally notable. The article is currently a poor stub, but that is a reason to improve it, not delete it.  I just wonder whether his pastoral influence on Nelson Mandela may not be a major reason why Mandela emerged from prison to take part in a peaceful transition to majority rule, when he might have emerged as an angry man, wanting to wreek revenge on the White regime.  I suspect that is a history that will not be written for a decade or two yet.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:05, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES. Are Lutherans part of the Anglican Communion? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * They aren't, but Lutheran bishops in most congregations preside over similar sized groups.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:03, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Bishops within standard Lutheran, Catholic and Anglican denominations are notable. I avoid saying "major" denominations, since The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with 15 million members qualifies as a major denomination, but with 20,000+ bishops each presiding over congregations rarely with more than 600 members, and sometimes as low as 200, the argument does not work. It does here though.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:02, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per WP:GNG. I found a few more sources. -- Trevj (talk) 10:49, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
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