Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Gontier (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No argument for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 01:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Adam Gontier
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Original research, not notable. This goes for the other band members as well. Skrewler (talk) 08:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This musician has received plenty of coverage in reliable sources, the main criterion for notability. He's been substantially covered by Jam! Music, The Hour, Revolver magazine, and Canada's highest circulation newspaper, The Star. Sure, the article's in bad shape and mainly cites a non-independent source, but AfD is not cleanup. Tim  meh  21:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to add to my rationale DustFormsWords' mention of Gontier's work in creating "I Don't Care" with Apocalyptica, which did well on the charts and undoubtedly garnered him even more coverage. Tim  meh  23:47, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Three Days Grace is certainly a notable band, so the relevant portion of WP:NMUSIC would be: "Members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article." Gontier's (excellent) work collaborating with Apocalyptica (and to a lesser extent with Daughtry) in my opinion narrowly carries him over the "individual activity" test and makes him a suitable candidate for his own article. - DustFormsWords (talk) 22:33, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - I must agree with above two posters - Gontier has an extensive amount of coverage in reliable sources and a small discography pertinent to him and not the Three Days Grace as a whole. The original research you cite can easily be fixed, deleting the article is not cleaning it up as Timmeh stated. Also, no one here is arguing the other band members deserving individual articles, only Gontier. Daniel Musto (talk) 02:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - plenty of sources can be found easily online here, and proof of North American touring is here. Bearian (talk) 19:31, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - more significance explanation and citation might be needed. Olivemountain (talk) 02:26, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - needs work, but keep per above reasons, Lord Spongefrog,  (I am the Czar of all Russias!)  19:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Why Wouldn't You Keep? If it's not too late to chime in, Bearian is correct, as are the rest of the editors: A simple Google (News) search will turn up more than enough places to find attributable sources for him. Yeah, the article has a few issues, but Wikipedia's not always perfect and these aren't hurdles that can't be overcome. Can the article use work? Sure, but with the sheer number of editors willing to chip in to improve the article, this article can quickly ascend the Quality Scale and then some. KirkCliff2 (talk) 22:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I've gone ahead and added the sources I mentioned in my comment above, so the article itself demonstrates that Gontier has sufficient notability. Tim  meh  22:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.