Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Logan


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The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 08:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Adam Logan
Nom & vote... Del on this n-n bio. Scrabble, Sudoku, and crosswords are such widely practiced 1-4 person, single-game or single-evening casual entertainments that those who create the puzzles and/or write the books about the solving the puzzles or winning the games can be notable for doing those things. A minuscule fraction of fans engage in them as tournament competitions, and non-participants who pay attention to the tournaments probably number roughly the same as non-participant spouses and spouse-equivalents of competitors. Wordplay (film) is the kind of exception that "proves the rule": it played in lots of theaters, and got some press attention, but the participants appear in that article as text, not bio-lks; the same is true for the participants in crossword tournaments that don't get filmed. Entering tournaments for Scrabble, crosswords, Sudoku, touch football, or other casual entertainments is fun, even admirable, but a refined taste, and the winners can only be covered appropriately by listings in articles on the events, &/or lists/tables of competitive players with lks to their events. Winning the events is notable to that extent, but being a tournament winner is not notable to the extent of justifying a bio. (I'm not even sure it's reasonable to use their names as Rdrs to such lists.) In this case, (1) the info provided in the so-called bio is less useful in this format than in a table of winners of a given competition, with a column per winner about other wins; (2) the inclusion of a 1-sent 'graph on his winnings doesn't show how notable he is, but the opposite: while i don't demean the accomplishment and satisfaction obviously involved, at under $100 won per tournament, this guy is a generous subsidizer of the travel and lodging industries, rather than a "professional scrabble player", as the article at first glance suggests. --Jerzy•t 23:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Point taken, but World Scrabble champs seem notable enough for me, and the article is wikified and of appropriate (i.e., short) length. That said, I am aware that we have axed articles for national spelling bee champs in the past, so I'm a little hesitant. Aplomado  talk 23:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong keep; In case you may not have noticed, the United States Scrabble Open receives ESPN air time in the United States. To me, if your game/sport has ESPN coverage, its top players are therefore notable enough for an article on Wikipedia. Andy Saund e rs 00:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. The world of competetive Scrabble is far more developed than those of the games you compare it to. Just for reference, Googling '"Adam Logan" scrabble' returns over 20K results. Soo 10:46, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. In addition to his Scrabble results, an additional claim to notability is that he was a Putnam Fellow (top five place in the annual Putnam competition) two years running. In the history of the competition only around 60 people have become Putnam Fellows in two or more years. Gandalf61 12:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. We may want to enlarge this one soon; or we may want to axe it in ten years, if he fails to compete for the Fields Medal; prodigies do peter out. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Point not taken.  The comparisons of Scrabble to Sudoku and touch football are misconceived.  Tournament Scrabble play is very established and notable.  Not every moderately successful tournament player requires a bio, but one who has won multiple presitigious championships certainly satisfies the standards.  He also has the honor of being the only multiple winner of the (invitational only) Canadian Scrabble Championship.  --C S (Talk) 08:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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