Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Orth Twitter incident


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Xbox One. (Non-administrator closure.) Northamerica1000(talk) 20:19, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Adam Orth Twitter incident

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Trivial Twitter 'controversy'. Yes, it led to a resignation, but Adam Orth is not actually a notable person. Virtually all the coverage of him is to do with this incident, which was over a brief period, by mostly unreliable sources, with little evidence of enduring notability. Keeping this article raises issues with WP:BLP1E (even though it technically isn't a biography). It could be merged into Xbox One, but I think we'd be best off just deleting it. Robofish (talk) 00:25, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:00, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:00, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge/Delete - He got fired for his comments on social media - a pretty common occurrence these days. It can be covered in far briefer terms on his the Xbox One article, though this probably isn't really that great of a search term as a redirect... Sergecross73   msg me   01:23, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Xbox One Clearly lacks standalone notability. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 02:27, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge to Xbox One Generally WP does not have articles on incidents by WP:Not news.  The topic here is the Xbox One. Mr. Orth does not seem to be notable yet, at least no article here.  If he keeps going and one is written the material should be added there too. Borock (talk) 04:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete A non-notable executive shot off his mouth on Twitter and had to resign. As Gertrude Stein said, "There's no 'there' there". And there is nothing here worth merging. Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  06:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Xbox One - a curious incident which falls afoul of WP:NOTNEWS, but is quite notable (not WP:N notable, just normal notable) in the development/unveiling of Microsoft's new console. Ansh666 03:20, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment A guy shot off his mouth on Twitter and then resigned. A simple screw up. Please explain how discussing that improves encyclopedic coverage of a new game console? It is a Biographies of living persons violation, not anything appropriate for the Xbox One article.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  03:31, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The "simple screw up" was covered for weeks in major news sources and on the web, both on its own and in relation to the (then unrevealed) Xbox One and its competition with Sony's PS4. If we stick to reliable sources, it won't be a BLP violation. Ansh666 03:35, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Covered for weeks? All the substantive coverage was within days of the comments and resignation. We've got one sentence a couple months later, plus an announcement that the guy has been scheduled to speak at a non-notable industry event. That blurb recounts the April events for context, but adds nothing new. Please read WP:BLP, which is policy. The fact that trivialities reflecting poorly on someone are reported in reliable sources does not justify their inclusion in this encyclopedia.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  04:09, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess not in major news sources, but I know people were talking about it long after, and the fact that it was remembered after a few months is more or less enough of an impact in the video game scene. Also, WP:BLP actually says "Criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone." WP:BLP does not prevent us from adding negative comments about a person, so long as it's not in bad taste. Ansh666 04:39, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "People were talking"? Which people? Certainly not me. And certainly you know that people talk about all kinds of irrelevant crap that doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Certainly, there have been hundreds of articles published in reliable sources since April devoting significant coverage to the development of the Xbox One. Do those articles discuss Adam Orth's resignation as a milestone in the history of the development of this game console? If not, it is original research, synthesis and undue weight for Wikipedia editors to insert any such trivial, irrelevant and defamatory crap into this article.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  05:38, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, well, to be honest, I wasn't expecting an article on this to ever be here. It was a splashy WP:NOTNEWS story, but I personally think it's worth a mention in the Xbox article. If you disagree, sure, but 3 and a half others agree with me. I won't discuss this further. Let's see where this goes. Ansh666 06:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I certainly understand both sides here. I'm more under the opinion that its worth like a sentence or two in the history section, as part of the early issues regarding the systems initially oppressive DRM set up. It doesn't even deserve a subsection or anything; its a very miniscule event in the scheme of things. But that can be worked out on the xboxone article talk page... Sergecross73   msg me   12:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * (further addition that I forgot to save) Besides, have you seen how huge the section about this in Xbox One is? There is no WP:UNDUE concern here, as a sentence or two about this is about all we need. Ansh666 18:12, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge as 1/2 sentence content to Xbox One. Not otherwise notable and would be given undue attention otherwise. As mentioned above, a common appearance, in this case covered a lot by media, but still WP:1EVENT. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 12:12, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
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