Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adamstown, Dublin


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The result was   keep. Closing per obvious consensus. —  Aitias  // discussion 14:14, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Adamstown, Dublin

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A plan. States that it is a town yet immediately contradicts itself by saying it yet has to be granted "town status" and may never be. "Development plan" section starts off with "It is intended" which typifies the article really. Littered with phrases such as "plans to expand", "being put in place" "will be" and "no date has been set". Everything is going to be happening here in the future, nothing is definite and certainly nothing is happening right now. This is even worse than the non-notable Dublin alleyway tourist attractions that exist already - it's for the tourists who are planning to come to Dublin at a later date! It's more like religion or a philosophical dream than an encyclopedic entry. On top of this it has the cheek to not even offer a reference to the person who came up with this fantasyland. Balloholic (talk) 23:48, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Here is an adequate source which should have been found before nomination per WP:BEFORE. Colonel Warden (talk) 00:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Source discusses the possibilities of a planned town. Many such plans exist and never come to fruition. Philosophical CRYSTALBALLING I'm afraid. --Balloholic (talk) 16:59, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - there are houses built in the area, and it has its own football club and local council. It exists. I believe that it is notable, and that all such suburbs/districts are notable. - Richard Cavell (talk) 02:32, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment any area can have houses. I live in a house. My area is not on wikipedia and I don't think it would be notable for what we are trying to achieve on this project. Having some houses does not make it meet the notability criteria I'm afraid. --Balloholic (talk) 16:56, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Any area can have its own football club. I believe these are very popular in the UK and that there are also many in Dublin. There is even one down the road from me. However I would not suggest that my area in notable for having some football clubs. The club in question is amateur - there are barely a dozen semi-pro clubs in Ireland as it is. There is nothing to suggest that it is little more than a schoolboy club either. --Balloholic (talk) 16:56, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 09:23, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Colonel Warden, Richard Cavell. Edward321 (talk) 15:56, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Their mythical arguments have been debunked i'm afraid. --Balloholic (talk) 16:56, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as per editors reasoning above. travb (talk) 17:02, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I have very clearly stated the holes in those flawed flawed arguments. You obviously aren't paying attention.--Balloholic (talk) 17:12, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Colonel Warden. Even proposed towns or topics can be notable provided there are adequate sources about them.  Just because something is proposed doesn't in itself violate WP:CRYSTAL. --Oakshade (talk) 22:16, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, the foundation stone has been laid http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/?c=ireland&jp=kfididkfeysn Scaldi (talk) 22:48, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: I don't think one stone will make a blind bit of difference. Lots of stones will be lain and never built upon. Especially the way the building trade is going with the recession we have to be careful what sort of buildings and towns we're licensing. There is no proof these ever exist. Someone could just as easily dig out one saying the Adamstown has had to be cancelled because of the bankers and a lack of funding for developers. On top of all this there are a lot of ifs and buts and should haves about that article. Very like a CRYSTALBALL. --Balloholic (talk) 23:09, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - Adamstown is not just notable because it as another large housing development in Dublin. It is notable because it was the first scheme to be built as a Special Development Zone (SDZ). This means that (for once in Ireland), the planning is joined up. The schools, shops, and other facilities are being built in tandem with the phases of the housing. A new transport link was also built (direct to Heuston Station), complete with train turntable. There is no crystal balling involved, the first phases of the the houses/apartments are finished and occupied, as are the first primary schools, and the rail link. The development is ongoing. I'm surprised this was even nominated. Snappy (talk) 08:19, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Does anyone else find it uncivil that the nominator makes sarcastic and patronising comments to anyone who votes against the nomination? Every editor has a right to vote whatever way they like, and this vote should be respected. The comments and tone of User:Balloholic certainly leave a lot to be desired, e.g. "Their mythical arguments have been debunked". Because someone disagrees with you, there is no need to be uncivil. Snappy (talk) 08:19, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


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