Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adewale Demehin


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 09:21, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Adewale Demehin

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Actor whose only significant film/television role seems to be a recurring minor character, no indication of meeting WP:NACTOR. PROD removed by User:Waledemz (who was not the article creator) without comment after adding unsourced claims abour theatre roles and a program called Ajalangers (which returns no results on Google).

Of note: Waledemz's username matches a stage nickname used by Demehin, claims to be Demehin on their talk page, and has twice tried to create articles about Demehin in the past. RA 0808 talkcontribs 17:31, 12 January 2018 (UTC); edited 15:05, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * * Keep

Adewale Demehin is a known Nigerian actor. He played the role of Cabman in Jenifa's Diary. Search engine statistics is not a requirement to decide an article should be deleted WP:INVALIDBIO. I now direct user RA0808 to WP:FAILN. Also, page does not fail to meet any of the criteria in Notability. User removed tag because article does not meet requirement for proposed deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davioseki (talk • contribs) 20:50, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If Demehin is so well known, why were both the article creator and Waledemz seemingly having as much difficulty as I did locating "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (as required by WP:GNG)? RA 0808  talkcontribs 21:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC); edited 21:07, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Adewale%20Demehin, http://blog.irokotv.com/tag/adewale-demehin should be what you are looking for. The person in the content is well talked about (though upcoming), and a large number of Jenifa's Diary fans have shown interest in this topic, and hence the topic deserves to carry a page on Wikipedia. As earlier stated, page does not meet the requirement for PROD tag, meets the Notability requirements, and the requirements by WP:GNG "significance coverage in reliable sources..." have been presented to you.
 * This nomination is flawed, and you should have done further research and requested the article be improved, rather than deleted (WP:BEFORE Step C.)
 * The article only needs improvement, and not deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davioseki (talk • contribs) 21:44, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Neither of those are examples of significant coverage. Revolvy is a Wikipedia fork and is not a reliable source per WP:FORK, and even if it were reliable Demehin is only given a trivial mention in a cast list. The Irokotv link also only gives a trivial mention in a cast list. WP:N requires significant coverage which "addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." RA 0808  talkcontribs 22:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * How about a YouTube video?
 * https://youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=lsulVsZJLW8&t=8m48s — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davioseki (talk • contribs) 23:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It is not the main topic, and it is not a trivial feature either.
 * Plus, you requested citation for "Adewale has played several roles in stage plays including OLD MOYO (GCK) 2001, AJAGBE (Divine Assembly) 2009, OBA (Divine Assembly) 2010 amongst others." The events were obviously not publicized on the internet, because the internet had not gained much grounds in Nigeria at that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davioseki (talk • contribs) 22:58, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia tends to be cagey about YouTube as a source, but even if it was taken as a reliable source (which I would ask others to weigh in on), it still is one source that is about what seems to be his only significant provable role. As for the stage plays, sources do not have to be on the Internet. If they were notable productions were there not newspaper articles written about them? RA 0808 talkcontribs 19:30, 14 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete: Sadly, fails WP:NACTOR. I hope you don't abandon Wikipedia, when this article gets deleted. Please read WP:COI when making further contributions. HandsomeBoy (talk) 09:42, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

I visited the page to learn more, and saw the nomination for deletion. I suggest it should be improved rather than deleted. Visit Autobiography. Note 'If you have been published elsewhere on a topic, "we welcome your expertise on the subject for Wikipedia articles. However, every Wikipedia article must cover its subject in a neutral, fair, and comprehensive way to advance knowledge of the subject as a whole. Please forget your biases while enriching the Wikipedia readers' knowledge." Articles that exist primarily to advance the interests of the contributor will likely be deleted.' Page was not created to cause an excessive hype about the personality, or for reasons of self promotion. Else, you who have nominated should point such places out that spell excessive praises on the profile. Also, acting records (especially for stage plays) as at 2009 in Nigeria, are rarely found on the internet. But just because they are not on the internet doesn't mean they never occurred, does it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davioseki (talk • contribs) 20:48, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * "Nomination is flawed": HandsomeBoy You could state which sections of WP:NACTOR that this page fails. And I am aware of what WP:COI discourages. I have no relationship with the owner of this profile, and haven't received payments for my edits here or elsewhere.
 * I was referring to the article creator, whom I already explained why the article wasn't notable on my talkpage. But since you replied me, the reason the article fails NACTOR is that he has not had main roles in multiple notable films; neither has he been nominated or won an award in a notable film ceremony. Awards like AMAA, Best of Nollywood Awards and Nigeria Entertainment Awards have been existing before 2010, if he or any of his works were notable, they would have at least gotten a nomination. Secondly, the short films you claimed he acted in are of questionable notability. For a film to be notable, we need a reliable source to talk about it, either online or in print. The only notable film he has acted in is Jenifa's Diaries, and it was a minor role. NACTOR talks only about significant roles, not minor. Don't waste your time, this article will definitely get deleted. HandsomeBoy (talk) 19:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Do not delete Comment.

I will quote Notability

•"Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent.


 * Article does not seem to fail this.

• "Sources"[2] should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability.


 * Article does not seem to fail this either...

• "Reliable" means sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.
 * The sources requested here have been provided. Person in article is featured in a YouTube video which has over 200,000 views, and has been watched by thousands of fans on Jenifa's diary.

• "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
 * This has been provided as well.

Article may be safe from deletion, since it meets these requirements... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davioseki (talk • contribs) 23:16, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

HandsomeBoy (talk) you should also read under additional requirements on NACTOR: I'll quote;


 * "People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included.


 * "A person who fails to meet these additional criteria may still be notable under Wikipedia:Notability. Editors may find these criteria helpful when deciding whether to tag an article as requiring additional citations (using for example), or to instead initiate a deletion discussion."

I hope you see that this nomination for deletion deletion has been flawed all along.


 * Person in article does not require any awards to qualify for a space on Wikipedia. Plus, the role of Adewale Demehin in Jenifa's Diary cannot be passed as insignificant.


 * Keep

Below are the requirements for an article to be deleted, and after reading through, the article, fortunately passes all of them, and as such, should not be deleted.


 * Content that meets at least one of the criteria for speedy deletion
 * Content does not meet any of the criteria for speedy deletion...


 * Copyright violations and other material violating Wikipedia's non-free content criteria


 * Vandalism, including inflammatory redirects, pages that exist only to disparage their subject, patent nonsense, or gibberish


 * Advertising or other spam without any relevant or encyclopedic content (but not an article about an advertising-related subject)


 * '''Content forks (unless a merger or redirect is appropriate)


 * Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and articles that are themselves hoaxes (but not articles describing notable hoaxes)

Articles whose subjects fail to meet the relevant notability guideline (WP:N, WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:CORP, and so forth)
 * Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed.
 * These have already been discussion by User:Davioseki:Davioseki


 * Articles that breach Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons
 * Person in this article does not breach the Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons.


 * Redundant or otherwise useless templates


 * Categories representing overcategorization


 * '''Files that are unused, obsolete, or violate the non-free policyAny other use of the article, template, project, or user namespace that is contrary to the established separate policy for that namespace


 * Any other content not suitable for an encyclopedia
 * Kindly move over to WP:NOTEVERYTHING. This article is true and useful... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistabong (talk • contribs) 01:03, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: For the sake of easing the reading for other editor's viewing this discussion... let's review what sources we have so far related to Demehin in relation to WP:GNG as of the 16:04, 19 January 2018‎ revision. We have:
 * Trivial mention of him in a cast list for Jenifa's Diary
 * Significant coverage, reliable source ✅, independent of subject
 * A behind the scenes video from Jenifa's Diary including interview segments with Demehin produced and posted to YouTube by SceneOne, the show's production company
 * Significant coverage ✅, reliable source ✅, independent of subject
 * The About Us page for Mercy Upon Mercy, an organization founded by Demehin and his wife, that lists him as Co-Founder with no other information.
 * Significant coverage, reliable source ✅, independent of subject
 * A brief (three line) blog post from Mercy Upon Mercy about a trip led by Demehin and his wife to an old folk's home
 * Significant coverage, reliable source ✅, independent of subject
 * The About Us page for Kr8tvt Solutions, a web design company founded by Demehin.
 * Significant coverage ✅, reliable source ✅, independent of subject
 * An article about Demehin on BooshBingBang, a blog run by a Nigerian expat in the UK (interestingly enough, the web design for the blog was done by Demehin's company Kr8tvt).
 * Significant coverage ✅, reliable source, independent of subject
 * Based on this, Demehin does not meet WP:GNG nor does his one role on Jenifa's Diary meet WP:NACTOR. RA 0808  talkcontribs 16:30, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Just a reminder. An article does not need to meet all the requirements to appear on Wikipedia especially as stated under NACTOR. Eitherway. I still stand my ground that this article only needs improvement, rather than deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davioseki (talk • contribs) 20:48, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment;
 * Ademiyan does not meet any of the three specifications of WP:NACTOR, he is not notable, not only by Wikipedia guidelines but also from the dictionary definition of notability. He is currently a nobody in Nollywood. This is not about lack of sources, this is about reality. HandsomeBoy (talk) 23:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed with HandsomeBoy. WP:BIO says that if a subject does not meet the NACTOR criteria they may still be notable under WP:GNG. Demehin's lack of multiple significant roles means he does not meet NACTOR and, as I showed above, he does not meet GNG requirements of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Otherwise, per WP:FAILN, non-notable topics without plausible merge targets are generally deleted. RA 0808  talkcontribs 00:42, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Davioseki (talk) 21:07, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Davioseki (talk) 21:07, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Davioseki (talk) 21:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:45, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Handsomeboy, just because an actor is a "nobody" to you, does not make them a "nobody in Nollywood." Neither does it make the article useless to Wikipedia. Clearly I have searched for and provided enough links to show how others may be interested in this person. WP:SCNR clearly states,
 * comment
 * "...An article like this, however short it may be, does serve Wikipedia’s ultimate purpose. This article is useful. In other words, if a topic has received coverage (i.e. is noticed) in independent, reliable, and verifiable source/s, however big or small, significant or insignificant the coverage may be, the topic could be considered to be notable, i.e. capable of being noted or worthy of notice, and thus Wikipedia may have a stand-alone article on that topic..."

RA0808, fortunately for the article, you would be wrong to say that the article does not meet the significant coverage in independent, reliable and verifiable sources, and as such, should not be on Wikipedia. Take a look at WP:BLP1E and take note that, even if Adewale Demehin was mentioned in only one notable event, the Jenifa's Diary, yet, the page still deserves a stand alone page on Wikipedia. Was the subject mentioned in one notable event with significant coverage? Yes, the Jenifa's Diary. Was there a detailed coverage on the subject? Yes, the SceneOne TV YouTube channel. Davioseki (talk) 09:41, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Davi'O, I appreciate your enthusiasm for this topic but this is simply grasping. To begin: WP:SCNR is an essay, as it clearly states at the top. Essays are not the same as guidelines or policies, and in fact have no official status on Wikipedia (see WP:ESSAY). Even if it was, Demehin does not even meet the criteria given in SCNR of "coverage... in independent, reliable, and verifiable source/s" since it is questionable the BooshBingBang can be considered independent and all other sources are directly connected to Demehin (and thus not independent). Even SCNR - again, which has no official status since it is an essay - requires that a source be both independent and reliable.


 * Moving on to your discussion of WP:BLP1E, it does not apply here. BLP1E relates to people who are notable for their connection to an event of lasting, historical significance (i.e. 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami, Westgate shopping mall attack, Death of Adolf Hitler) not someone who is an actor on a television show. The criteria which apply in that case is WP:NACTOR which, as I've said repeatedly, Demehin has no indication of meeting. RA 0808  talkcontribs 21:20, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * SceneOne distribution are the production company for Jenifa's Dairy, owned by Funke Akindele, how can you use them as a source to show significant coverage for an actor that they employ? The interview can never be independent! I'm done spending time on this pointless discussion, something I should dedicate to improving articles on genuinely notable topics. Your persistence and refusal to learn will not make you contribute constructively and enjoy Wikipedia. HandsomeBoy (talk) 00:44, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - not enough in-depth coverage from independent reliable sources to pass WP:GNG, and not even close to meeting WP:NACTOR.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:16, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I rest my case.Davioseki (talk) 07:13, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete -- does not meet WP:NACTOR and there's nothing better. Promotionalism only for a nn individual. Analysis of sources above shows that the subject lacks WP:SIGCOV sufficient for an encyclopedia entry. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:01, 27 January 2018 (UTC)


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