Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adirael


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The result was delete. As no reliable sources have been provided to establish the notability of this subject during this discussion, the article's subject is found to lack the notability required for inclusion. (Note: This close does not hold prejudice against an article being created for the possibly related spellings of Adiron or Adiriron, if reliable sources can be found for those in the future.) &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 21:32, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Adirael

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I could only find this mentioned by Mathers, a writer on magic. I couldn't establish that this is WP:NOTABLE. Boleyn (talk) 20:10, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. clpo13(talk) 23:15, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete: The name is mentioned in a few encyclopedias (e.g. the The Dictionary of Demons published by Llewellyn Worldwide) but all references come from a single mention in the The Book of Abramelin, as one of 49 servants of Beelzebub. I find it hard to believe that they are all notable, and there doesn't seem to be significant coverage, as there would be, for example, if he were mentioned in the Bible. StAnselm (talk) 23:38, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename The correct spellings based on the Hebrew is Adiron and Adiriron. There are 1000's of sites with information if you use the correct spelling. The spelling up for deletion is Mathers' spelling. It is an important name for magic, amulets, and angelology. He is the archangel of either the 5th or 3rd throne-room.Rename it to one of the accepted spellings and add some of the basic information from one of the many pages about the angel. --Jayrav (talk) 23:51, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Two questions: (1) What makes you think they are the same being? (2) Can you name a reliable source that describes Adiron? StAnselm (talk) 00:04, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Dictionaries of demons that have Adriel, as per Mathers, list the source as the angel of the book of Enoch. The angel of Enoch for most people is spelled the other ways. see here

https://books.google.com/books?id=njDRfG6YVb8C&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=Adirael+adirion&source=bl&ots=MkRog5kmdW&sig=mt5CvhOGhqSuQaAVS_LJpAFPZQk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjT-I-IpdXKAhUG0hoKHYb-C-UQ6AEIHjAA#v=onepage&q=Adirael%20adirion&f=false
 * Here are two quick sources:http://ejmmm2007.blogspot.com/2008/01/adiriron-power-house-angel-of-merkavah.html
 * and http://kabbalahselfcreation.blogspot.com/2011/05/divine-names-and-ten-sefirot.html --Jayrav (talk) 00:25, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The two blogs you cite should be disregarded since they are not reliable sources. The encyclopedia you cited does indeed have a variant name, though it is "Adirion", which is different to what you wrote above. It lists the demon as one who followed Samiaza, from Enoch chapter 6. But I can't see what name that would correspond to in Charles' translation. As the Ramiel article indicates, we have articles about most of them. StAnselm (talk) 02:14, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment -- There seem to be enough listings for Adiririon and Adirion (on googling this and similar to merit one article, possibly expanding this one and having redirects for the others, but I am not going to compile it. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete at best and mention elsewhere as none of this suggests a solid serpatate article. SwisterTwister   talk  02:56, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  18:06, 7 February 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:41, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


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