Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ado Campeol


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Tiramisu. The consensus is that the individual's notability is insufficient to justify an independent article, beyond mostly copied obituaries. A redirect to the dessert therefore retains the article history if there is future expansion scope, or for creating an appropriate sub-section on the target article. (non-admin closure) Bungle (talk • contribs) 15:18, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Ado Campeol

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Ado Campeol was the owner of a restaurant which claims to have invented tiramisu. The article gives no evidence that he is known for anything else. Moreover, the claim that this restaurant invented tiramisu is refuted pretty definitively on it:Tiramisu and in the one Google Books mention of Campeol. There was recently a flurry of obituaries of Campeol, all pretty much copies of one another, none mentioning any other evidence of notability.

Given that Campeol is only known for his supposed contribution to tiramisu, there seems to be no indication of sufficient notability for a separate article. Macrakis (talk) 19:53, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Macrakis (talk) 19:53, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to the dessert. As the Italian article explains, Mr. Campeol was credited with creating tiramisu in an initial investigation that was discredited by later research. So far there does not seem to be sufficient material to create something like the George Speck article. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 16:06, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This article has several sources listed and is about a person who invented something culturally relevant. It should not be deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dietcoke3.14 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Tiramisu. The several sources are all obituaries with mostly the same content. His culturally relevant contribution, as far as I can tell, is limited to tiramisu. Since he has no independent relevance, a redirect is appropriate. --Macrakis (talk) 19:06, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. Expanded the article a bit and seems reasonable to keep (albeit, a weak one) based on the sheer volume of coverage the obits seem to indicate. However, I don't mind whichever way y'all go. Good luck. Ktin (talk) 02:36, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the additional info. The part about the history of tiramisu itself belongs in that article, not here. What is left when that is removed is a very routine and non-notable biography. Ado is born, inherits the restaurant, claims to have invented tiramisu, dies. --Macrakis (talk) 16:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to the dessert. According to the arguments given by Macrakis. Alex2006 (talk) 08:41, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Campeol has full obituaries in The Times, The Daily Telegraph, and The Financial Times, and that is just checking English language sources. As far as I am aware, we have never deleted an article for someone with a Times obituary. This article easily passes WP:GNG. By way of comparison, look at Jim Delligatti, the creator of McDonald's "Big Mac", he "was not the inventor of the double-decker burger". Edwardx (talk) 10:52, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * GNG says that "significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article". The fact that Campeol's obituary was reprinted by many newspapers probably says more about the meme power of the newly-minted title "father of tiramisu" than it does about Campeol. Has anyone been able to find a mention of Campeol as the "father of tiramisu" or the "papa del tiramisu" from before October 2021? --Macrakis (talk) 20:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Tiramisu, as per Macrakis. MrsSnoozyTurtle 01:08, 13 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.