Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adolescent sexuality in the United States


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus. WjBscribe 22:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Adolescent sexuality in the United States

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Hello, I have put the article 'Adolescent sexuality in the United States' up for deletion for the following reasons.

A. It has almost ALL POV material that is anti-sex. I counted only 3 or 4 lines that weren't some quote and that actually said what Adolescent sexuality in the United States was.

B. It's uneeded. The main article on Adolescent sexuality contains all relevant information to Sexuality of adolescents and easily covers this articles information that is not heavily disputed, is 99% NPOV. Except for 3 lines of disputed information cut & pasted into the current article from an earlier version of the article which was replaced by the current article.

C. Only ONE user User:Illuminato consistently defends the articles content while all others have consistently stated problems with the content of the article over and over and over.

D. This article has been involved in at least a dozen edit wars all involving User:Illuminato, who has rigorously resisted edits, even though many were agreed upon by a vast majority and he has gotten numerous 3RR Warnings, ignored many users complaints about his contributions, and while going under the pretext of trying to make progress. Reverts any edits of which he doesn't approve and viciously disputes it.

D.1. The proposal for replacing the old version of Adolescent sexuality ran for 12 days. While almost all the others editors of the article at the time agreed that replacing the article was a good idea. User:Illuminato 'dissapeared' for that time period, a notification was placed on his talk page, and he gave no indication he was away. All of his activity effectively ceased while the proposal ran and then he returned right after the proposal went through and tried to revert back from the new version multiple times until he stopped after multiple other editors stopped his attempts at reversion after a proposal had been passed. User:Illuminato has recieved warnings of violating WP:OWN from a few users and accusations of doing such from me and many other users. He has also been told numerous times (Too many to count without spending at least 3 hours going through archives) that his actions go against the majority and violate WP:NPOV

E. The article's creation is dubious. (A bit of history here). It was created back in late January along with 2 other articles. Adolescent sexuality in Britain, and Adolescent sexuality in India in response to mine and another persons complaints that the views represented in the old version of Adolescent sexuality didn't present a worldwide view. Illuminato has paid no attention to AS in India since January 30th and has apparently been involved in primarily edit disputes in AS in Britain.

F. The article has cut & copied information straight from sections originally in Adolescent psychology that were then pasted into the Adolescent Sexuality section of the main article on Adolescence. The article on Culture of the United States, the article on Pornography addiction, and Adolescent sexual behaviour. While the disputed information was ultimately removed from the first 3 articles due to overwhelming opinion that it didn't belong. The last article, Adolescent sexual behaviour, still has much of the cut & copied quotes, the quotes being simply reassembled and sometimes even edited or paraphrased a little bit. Going against WP:ATT

F.1. [Adolescent Sexuality in the United States]] has the same information, and just reassembled, some pieces taken out, some put in, and some of it paraphrased. While having what me and the vast majority term "A major negative POV slant in the article".

G. Basically all in all, many problems with this article and its creation stem from one user User:Illuminato and he has been involved in numerous disputes elsewhere. While I admit that when I'd first joined Wikipedia on January 6th I had some tough times learning to follow the civility rules etc., I learned fairly quickly. And have been a major participator and spectator in this series of debates for quite a while. However, due to Illuminato's sometimes shady and spontaneous archiving (The more nonsensical of which I reverted), the large amount of typed debate surrounding this in various talk and user pages etc, and the simple vastness of this debate, gathering the wikilinks to prove this would take an unreasonable amount of time.

I simply ask that this article be deleted for practical reasons, as it serves no useful purpose except as a hotbed of debate, and branching off of better articles that cover the same thing in order to push POV. (Something many users have complained about).

I've been dealing with this user since a few days after New Years, at first as an IP Address, and since then many other users have been sucked into this debate, and I think that it is for the best of Wikipedia that this article be deleted.... Nateland 21:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * KeepThis article does not qualify under any of the Deletion_policy. Illuminato
 * Keep. I understand your frustration Nateland, but this isn't the solution to a problem. I would suggest mediation via WP:M or WP:MEDCAB instead, or WP:ARBCOM if all else fails. hateless 22:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm the mediator for this case. Illuminato refuses to re write the article in a NPOV tone. He/she has also been slightly rude throughout the case. I'm afraid it might have to go to ArbCom. mcr616 Speak! 23:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Nateland, let me recommend that you re-write it in a neutral tone; if a particular user reverts sourced NPOV material, you should request an explanation; failing an appropriate explanation you can go up the escalation path outlined by Hateless, and/or revert the revert and discuss why on the talk page; the 3 revert rule will often prevent relentless edit warring. Carlossuarez46 23:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. The article seems to be a very long list of statistics and conclusions from research. I may be wrong, but I think this article is close to violating WP:NOT. --Tinctorius 00:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Actually many of the 'conclusions' presented are not from research, but from generic media opinion pieces, and often - at least for the source that I could read online - the conclusions presented are a distortion, exaggeration or a sweeping generalization of the opinion presented in the underlying reference. Shmget 03:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep The article looks like it could potentially be good but it just needs a rewrite. The information doesn't overlap much with the other article. Dan Guan 03:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as POV fork which it clearly is. if it does stay, it can be rewritten, but then it will simply become an unnecessary duplication. (Another possibility is to add some detailed material that wouldn't fit in the main article. There is inherently no reason not to have specialized articles for different countries--there are different patterns. DGG 05:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * AfD submitters Comment. My main point for deleting this is that its information, while being almost all United States opinions. Doesn't say much about Adolescent Sexuality in the united states except whether it's harmful or not. And sadly, most of the info I can find on that topic for the US is about the moral aspects and the sex ed debate. Hardly any notable specialized scientific material or studies, and those that exist have some sort of lean towards the articles two main things.


 * The overwhelmingly represented POV which says adolescent sex is harmful or bad.
 * And the barely mentioned POV that adolescent sex ISN'T harmful.


 * All this article is, is a simple totally non neutral article on POV's about Adolescent Sexual ACTIVITY in the United States. Now think.... even if we DID rename this.


 * Would an article so specialized as to be about 'POV on adolescent activity in the united states' really be notable enough to be included?. I mean guess it could, due to the debate's significance in the USA. But then the article would have to be renamed, POV balanced out, a good summary given at the beggining, and it'd clearly have to state it's an article on POV and then the POV's would have to be made so they're NOT stated as FACT. So that's my thing basically.... Nateland 19:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Nateland, you already nominated this article. I don't think you should also get to vote on it.  That would essentially be giving you two votes, once for the nomination and one in the poll. --Illuminato 20:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: AfD's are not polls, and will probably be resolved by weighing arguments instead of counting votes. --Tinctorius 09:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * AfD submitters Comment There we go, I rephrased my comment, (Couldn't figure out what to put... sorry :-).

Anyways, Illuminato, what I'm trying to say is the article's content doesn't even fit in with its title. In reality it's highly specialized and reads more like a totally unbalanced 'Opinions on Adolescent Sexual ACTIVITY in the United States'. And thus I think it should be deleted, although if this proposal goes the shoots then I'll propose to have it renamed to something more fitting. Because as the article stands it's more a collection of highly disputed opinions etc. that aren't nearly widely regarded enough as viable to be considered Fact.

Let me quickly reinsert what I said about the state of this article in my comment above. ''My main point for deleting this is that its information, while being almost all United States opinions. Doesn't say much about Adolescent Sexuality in the united states except whether it's harmful or not.''

And then I go on to explain that any scientific studies about Adolescent Sexuality that are done in the United States seem to invariably be tilted towards either proving that Adolescent Sexual Activity is either Harmful or Not Harmful.

Does that clear things up Illuminato?. I don't know how to explain it in simpler terms. Nateland 13:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Neutral We're trying to work this out, but I don't really see a quick end to it. Most of it is POV and would need a substantial rewrite. Anyone interested in the MedCab case can check it out here. mcr616 Speak! 18:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Neutral: I'm torn over this, because on one hand, the topic itself is encyclopedic, but the content and origins of the article are highly dodgy. Basically, it was started as a POV fork from Adolescent sexuality rather than on the need to break out an excess degree of US-centric content into its own article. I'd really prefer to see no article at all than the article in the shape that its in, and having that state of the article guarded by a rouge user. On the other hand, AfDing it might create difficulty in creating a legitimate Adolescent sexuality in the United States article at some point in the future. Iamcuriousblue 16:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.