Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adolf Hitler's 50th Birthday


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Keep in the sense of "not delete". The relatively few "delete" opinions claim that the subject is insufficiently notable, but they do not generally discuss why in terms of the notability guideline, and are thus less than compelling. About half of the other participants want the article merged, but that's not enough for a "merge" consensus. Any merge consensus therefore needs to be found through continued talk page discussion.  Sandstein  06:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Adolf Hitler's 50th Birthday
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This event does not meet WP:N requirements and the assertations it gives are poorly sourced. After a week with no expansion I feel it is due for deletion. The birthday celebrations of world leaders past or present are not notable in of themselves, and while there may have been a large parade, all claims that it was "the largest celebration in history" are unsourced hyperbole and propaganda. Rapier1 (talk) 19:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC) *Delete It's only source is the Daily Mail for crissakes! Can you say 'slow news day' or 'punishing the writer'? This isn't needed unless anything exciting happened, which reading it, nothing much happened except a power show to the world which had been done many times before.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 22:06, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  -- Bradjamesbrown (talk) 19:56, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Meh! The guy turned fifty, had a party, had a big parade, yadda, yadda, yadda. How was his 50th birthday any more notable than his 51st? How was his birthday parade any more notable than that covered by Riefenstahl et al.? Eddie.willers (talk) 20:02, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep clearly a notable and significant event. Garibaldi Baconfat   20:07, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the article can be kept with a broadened scope on Hitler's birthdays, as in the German Wikipedia: de:Führergeburtstag is about all of them, including a tiny bit of post-war history. (It doesn't say anything about the date's importance for neo-Nazis, unfortunately). It also has some more sources, but most of them are not directly about Hitler's 50th birthday (and of course, in German). —Кузьма討論 20:45, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge with Adolf Hitler.  smithers  - talk  21:49, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge with Adolf Hitler and de-merge later when or if it reaches to a size where it needs its own article. --123.243.102.177 (talk) 21:56, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you calling The Daily Mail a pro-fascist piece of tabloid crap? Garibaldi Baconfat   22:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, they did support the Nazis until they refused to leave Poland (which was what caused us to go to war with them)… DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) &#124; (talk to me) &#124; (What I've done)  23:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You're saying The Daily Mail espoused Nazi propaganda? Garibaldi Baconfat   23:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I'm calling it a newspaper with some silly stories of questionable news value and accuracy like this one.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 23:17, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Switch to Keep Now well-sourced way beyond just the cite above, so the concerns about one primary source defining an article I had were addressed.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 00:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge with Adolf Hitler until we can find anything of note. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) &#124; (talk to me) &#124; (What I've done)  23:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge per DitzyNizzy. Birthdays can indeed be notable - Stalin's 50th birthday was a national holiday in the USSR *and* the impetus for much reliably-sourced manipulation of the historical record. I just don't see the references here to show that Hitler's 50th was of the same notability. One article in the Daily Mail does not make the birthday pass WP:GNG. --NellieBly (talk) 23:11, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge with Adolf Hitler Connormah (talk) 23:53, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge with Adolf Hitler as per the merge arguments above. --Defender of torch (talk) 04:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Merge, otherwise delete: It is fairly common for political leaders of a certain sort to have their own birthdays enshrined as national events - I'm not certain that Hitler's big party is more notable than equivalent shebangs thrown for other leaders great and small. but that's a sourcing issue that can be worked out on the Hitler article after the merge.  -- Ludwigs 2  04:48, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. World records which can be attested are generally notable. The article claims that it was "the biggest birthday celebration in the history of mankind" and "biggest military parade of all times". It was filmed, and the newsreel documenting the parade and other events is probably notable in itself, although not on the scale of Triumph of the Will, the film of the 1934 Nazi Party Congress in Nuremberg. This was propaganda from a government that intimately understood the role of propaganda in both domestic politics and influencing public opinion in other countries. - Eastmain (talk) 07:17, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * not to be argumentative, but here's an equivalent for Kim Jong Il. Should we have a separate page for this, as well?  serious question.  -- Ludwigs 2  07:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Go back and look at the written records of the Roman Empire's Legions on parade after a successful campaign under the Caesars. These were the extravaganzas that Hitler was trying to mimic.  There is no evidence that there was any kind of record broken here, nor is a birthday celebration notable in of itself, otherwise we'd have an article on Marilyn Monroe singing "Happy Birthday, Mr. President" to JFK. Rapier1 (talk) 08:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge with Adolf Hitler - I can see no reason for a separate article at this time. By the way, it's just an uncited claim that it was any sort of world record, and I can find no evidence of it - to the contrary, what I can find makes no suggestion that it was the largest. Dougweller (talk) 07:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep This was evidently a great occasion like Golden Jubilee of Elizabeth II for which we have a fine article. There are numerous sources and I have added a few.  The comments above, which were based just upon the one source provided in the first draft, are now obsolete.  Colonel Warden (talk) 10:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep A notable event due to the fact that a public exibition ( military parade ) took place.User:Lucifero4
 * Keep but rename and expand scope. This really does not seem that notable. Lots of leaders have big parades on thier birthdays. even with the new sources there is no evidacne that this was considerd a significant event outside Germany (ands with hte exception of Danzig outside Berlin). Golden Jubilee of Elizabeth II was an international celibration, the royal couple journeyed more than 64,000 kilometres (not just within the confines of one city) and celibrations were held in such places as New York. But his birthday is notable.Slatersteven (talk) 15:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename and expand scope. There's plenty of material to write about Hitler's birthday in general, from its use as a focus for Neo-Nazis to its appearance in fiction (e.g. Fatherland). Fences  &amp;  Windows  18:03, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  --  Fences  &amp;  Windows  18:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * making this page about Hitlers birthday in general and not specifcaly his 50th, yes I could go with that. As has been popinted out Kim Il Sung 50th birthday was the occasion for massive celebrations, exceeded only by those for the 80th birthday of Kim Il Sung, So not its not unique (other then being the only time Hilter had a 50th birthday). Slatersteven (talk) 18:10, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge to Adolf Hitler. Having an article about this one event (which happened after the man died) is completely giving undue weight. Killiondude (talk) 09:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. Hitler was very much alive in 1939. --10:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * lol :))))) We are having people with VERY HIGH historical knowledge, voting in here.--Professional Assassin (talk) 12:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep (rename to Führergeburtstag), and copyedit. I get the impression, although the article should be expanded, that this was a major public political event (held at a crucial moment in the history of Europe). Shouldn't there be some photos of the event at commons, from the German federal archives? --Soman (talk) 10:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment, if we convert the article into a general article on Hitler's birthdays in general, there is a German interwiki at de:Führergeburtstag. --Soman (talk) 10:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. With regards to notability and importance of this events, there is absolutely no doubt! The nomination for deletion of such a huge event which is unique in the history of modern mankind, sounds political to me. Hence this website is supposed to be an Encyclopedia, not a political battleground, I suggest to immediately close this debate and KEEP the article. I am planning to REALLY expand the article and put tones of pictures and also VIDEOS to show the enormous size of the ceremony. I don't think such huge ceremony repeats in at least near future in our world.--Professional Assassin (talk) 17:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Please assume the same assumptions of good faith that you would expect from others. As has been pointed out Kim Il Sung 50th birthday was the occasion for massive celebrations, exceeded only by those for the 80th birthday of Kim Il Sung, So not its not unique (other then being the only time Hilter had a 50th birthday). Slatersteven (talk) 15:13, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak merge to Adolf Hitler or delete. Not enough notability for its own article. It isn't unique, many leaders have had overblown celebrations. This debate will obviously continue until there is consensus, not when one editor thinks it should stop, after only two days. None of the current sources support claims of enormous scale, apart perhaps, from the single, rather dubious Daily Mail article. Many of the other details are rather mundane and barely notable. People gave speeches, fawned, and brewed a beer; underwhelming. Hohum (talk) 00:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep and Expand This was a major event, worthy of its own article. I like Colonel Warden's comparison to Elizabeth II's Golden Jubilee. The article is still young and already relatively well-sourced, and could certainly grow in its scope per several above comments. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  04:25, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * As the OP here I can say that I'd support a Merge to the Adolf Hitler article, as it would make a good section within that article. However, if someone were to do this I'd like to see better sourcing for the facts. Rapier1 (talk) 21:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep in some form. It was obviouly extremely notable at the time but if he had other notable birthday celebrations then make it an article about Hitlers birthdays in general. Weakopedia (talk) 22:04, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Some users above, suggest that a new article should be created for Hitler's Birthdays and the contents of the current article should be moved to that article. They also bring an example from German Wikipedia, "Führergeburtstag". Well doing so is NOT OK because: 1- Hitler's 50th birthday was something different from his other birthdays, comparing the scale of celebrations. It was bigger than Elizabeth's Golden Jubilee, just watch the films which I have added their links to the article! 2- German Wikipedia has too much lower standards than English Wikipedia. It is also a highly censored and politically biased project which should comply with Federal Republic of Germany's laws. We should not look at (and follow) what do they do in their project, as English Wikipedia is NOT censored and it must be kept politically neutral.--Professional Assassin (talk) 15:22, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment How was it biger then the golden jubilee, did he travel 40,000 miles on a world tour (did he travel outside Berlin?). Were there street parties across Germany? Did the celibration take place over three days, including a concert attended by 12,500 or a nation wide mu7sic festival invloving 300 towns (again was there any celibration outside Berlin?)? I shant go on with more examples but I will say this was one millitary parade, with some very minor gift giinv, and one significant gift.Slatersteven (talk) 14:49, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - per Hohum's reasoning. So far, there has been no actual evidence provided that this particular dictator's orgiastic self-celebration was any more notable (or any larger) than many other dictators' orgiastic self-celebrations. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. If you watch the film, you will see in your so called self-celebration, there are hundreds of thousands of eager ordinary Germans chanting for their Führer. Whether or not if today people like it, Hitler was the most popular leader of that time, because of his unbelievable success in restoring German pride. The event was huge (much bigger than Elizabeth's Golden Jubilee), it is surely exceeds Wikipedia's guidelines for notability. There are also other articles in Wikipedia about much smaller and less notable military parades which no one has objected their existence in wiki like 2008 Moscow Victory Day Parade, 2009 Moscow Victory Day Parade, Moscow Victory Parade of 1945 etc... --Professional Assassin (talk) 17:56, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. WP:PROVEIT. Also, we are deciding this article's merit for inclusion, not the probable lack of merit of others. I see that it isn't being meaningfully expanded, nor gaining sources that support its scale or importance. Sources which support minor mundane events are of no help justifying its inclusion. Hohum (talk) 21:11, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Now it is obvious that you DON'T WANT to see the sources, books, videos etc... It is pretty typical, if it relates to Hitler then it should be deleted. There is no point discussing matters with people like you.--Professional Assassin (talk) 22:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I just asked for them to be provided to justify the article, if you can't provide them, who can you blame? Hohum (talk) 22:37, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * PA, Please assume good faith when working with other editors. Yes, Adolf Hitler's Germany is an emotional topic (pro and con), but most editors commenting here are giving your article honest consideration and offering solid advice to make it better.  Comment on the edits, not the editors. Rapier1 (talk) 15:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ^ World War 2 was not a minor mundane event. It is the thesis of the first substantial source that this birthday was decisive in firming Hitler's resolve to go to war before he got much older.  Other sources document the relationship of this event to Danzig which was the specific casus belli.  Colonel Warden (talk) 00:13, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Extraordinary claims like that need extraordinary sources. The current sources are poor. So WP:PROVEIT. Still waiting. Hohum (talk) 00:39, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: A notable event. Ret.Prof (talk) 14:44, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Notable enough for it's own, short, underwhelming article, or notable enough to be merged as a small section of Adolf Hitler? Hohum (talk) 19:12, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Please do not be disparaging about the work that has gone into the article. Very many articles here in Wikipedia are much shorter and your sense of underwhelment is a personal thing that could be easily overcome by changing the article text. Weakopedia (talk) 08:47, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't believe any disparagement was intended. It's fairly clear that the consensus here is either for merge or delete, as the supporters haven't cited any WP:POLICIES to defend their arguments.  As a standalone article this event lacks the notability required, merging it into it's own section within the life of a very notable man Adolf Hitler requires a lower standard. Rapier1 (talk) 15:21, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm underwhelmed by the poor sources and lack of notability of the information. I don't believe the article is justified to stand on it's own, although the core relevant, notable information could probably merge into Adolf Hitler. For anyone who has made a good faith effort to make this article better, I'm not disparaging them. Hohum (talk) 04:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge with Adolf Hitler. Notable enough to be in his article. Alio The Fool 19:37, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Data for the reader - It should be noted that a cursory examination of his talk page reveals User:Professional Assassin to be a Holocaust denier and general defender of the Hitlerian regime. The reader might want to take that into account when evaluating his claims. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  22:07, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Considering my grandfather was one of the American soldiers that liberated Buchenwald, and I met his Polish friends that still had the tattoos on their arms, it's hard for me to take the rantings of Holocaust deniers seriously. That being said, he has every right to put his opinion forward, he simply has to be able to back it up with fact in order to have it stay up on Wikipedia.  Rapier1 (talk) 00:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, let's try to leave this as a discussion about content, and not make the decision based on the way we label editors. -- Ludwigs 2 03:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree. We are considering the merits of this article, not of an editor. Hohum (talk) 04:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. It is very funny, how people try to do anything, when they lack logical means to defend their ideas. "Holocaust denier" is one of those stupid labels too, which its only use is to push forward, illogical point of views.:))--Professional Assassin (talk) 08:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Are you ready for making as AfD for Golden Jubilee of Elizabeth II too? As she is far less notable than Adolf Hitler and her Golden Jubilee's ceremonies were too much smaller than those of Hitler's 50th birthday. Or is everything just political here? Serious question!--Professional Assassin (talk) 18:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment were Numerous landmarks, parks, buildings, and the like named in honour of the 50th birthday, were commemorative medals, stamps, and other symbols issued? Were 2,006 beacons lit in a chain throughout the world? Did 200 million people watch the event? Did 1 million people gather to see him? Please provide all of the ficures that back up you claim for the cliam for its size, and that it was bigger then the Golden Jubilee of Elizabeth II.Slatersteven (talk) 19:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * There was not satellite television in 1939 to show the event live to 200 million people! And yes in Hitler's birthday, numerous stamps, posters, greeting cards, medals etc... issued. And yes the military parade was far far greater than those of Elizabeth's Jubilee. Just watch the videos of the event by clicking on the links from the article. Nominating such a big event for deletion is a ridiculous thing! It is really stupid how some people try to wipe out the history and disappear any sign Hitler other than those holocaust things. Hitler's 50th Birthday is far more notable than Wikipedia's guidelines for notability. If this article has to be deleted then Inauguration of Barack Obama, Golden Jubilee of Elizabeth II, Queen's Official Birthday, Victoria Day and may other articles should be deleted too!--Professional Assassin (talk) 19:42, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: I can't understand, how a national holiday of a country like German Reich, which was the most notable country of that time in all means, can be considered not notable, while we are having too many articles about minor things in Wikipedia.Professional Assassin (talk) 19:47, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It does not matter if there was no satellite TV, (by the way the 1 million people were outside the palace, not watching on TV). So the overall birthday celebrations were not bigger then the Golden jubilee? You have taken this back to the fact it was just a military parade, and nothing more. Besides you have not provided any evidence that this was a larger parade then that of the golden jubilee. You say watch the videos, does that mean count all the men? I say provide us withy the statistics, how many members of the Nazi armed forces were involved? How many lined the streets, stop telling us it was bigger and instead prove it. Was it a national holiday, can we have a source for that? can we have a source that says that there were celebrations outside Berlin? The queens official Birthday happens every year, not just once. As does Victoria day, are you saying that Hitler’s 50th birthday is celebrated every year?Slatersteven (talk) 19:54, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - Notable event, and notable leader. Ask anyone who Hitler was and what Hitler did, everyone knows. Samuel Tarling (talk) 19:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Try to make useful comments at AfD, it does help you know. Fences  &amp;  Windows  21:13, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep While not reliable for a number of aspects of the event, the sources that were published in Nazi Germany at the time indicate the notability of the event. Most post-1945 sources are probably off-line as well, such as Der Filmbericht über Hitlers 50. Geburtstag : ein Beispiel nationalsozialistischer Selbstdarstellung und Propaganda ("The film report about Hitler's 50th birthday: an example of national-socialist self-protrayal an propaganda", in: Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 1959).  Cs32en   Talk to me  21:46, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * as leader of Germany it is logical that his birthday would recive press coverage, [] Bill clintons 50th birthday. What has not been demonstrated (beyond saying it) is that this is more notable then say anyone elses 50th birthday (or Stalins 60th come to that). What records does it hold?, for example. Every time it has been asked what was notable about it we are told its the bigest (but no figures are provided) or that it was Hitlers.Slatersteven (talk) 22:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The sources I have given are not press articles, of course. They are special issues and similar stand-alone publications about the event. Also, the links refer to the German National Library and to a network of state-owned libraries of several Bundesländer, the de:Gemeinsamer Bibliotheksverbund. Cs32en   Talk to me  23:24, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Which are a feature of many dictators birthdays, what needs to be demonstrated that this birthday was unique (or at least exceptional) within the wider context of the cult of personality that surrounds many despots. I also have no doubt specials are procduced for presidential birthdays.Slatersteven (talk) 00:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Later on, the article should probably be merged into Personality cult of Adolf Hitler, which would need to be created as a sub-article of Adolf Hitler. Cs32en   Talk to me  00:08, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, this is what this is about, the cult of persoonality. Not one day. It seems for example that his birthday was a Nazi event anyway, this particular borthday asside.Slatersteven (talk) 00:47, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong delete Absolutely no need to address Hitler's birthday, if that was the case we might have to start making articles about each politician's birthday in the history of humankind.--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 22:26, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have to partialy disagree. We would only need the birthdays of leaders around whome there was a cult of personality. Such as Stalin, Kim Il Jung, Mussolini and any god emperors (there may well be I dont know). We do have the odd one (such as the queeens offical birthday but this uis an anual event (not a one off parade) that is officaly celibrated around the world, not just in one country.Slatersteven (talk) 22:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge into the parent article. Unit  Anode  23:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge into Adolf Hitler. --Alan (talk) 01:12, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete I just removed about a half a dozen bad sources and external links (neo-nazi sites, commercial links, etc.) They're being edit warred back in by a series of IPs whom I believe to be socks of the now-banned creator of the article, User:Professional Assassin. Since he's bound to keep vandalizing the article, and since he's been community banned for being a Holocaust denier (see WP:ANI) and a Hitler worshipper, maybe the best thing to do is nuke this article entirely and let anyone who wants add relevant material to the Hitler article. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 01:14, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * comment - Naaah, let the AfD process take its course. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  01:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * comment. Ironically, the referencing has improved considerably now that others are providing them. Hohum (talk) 02:47, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as this is hardly encyclopedic or notable as an event on its own. Whatever is useful (and properly sourced) can be merged to the main Hitler article or, as others have suggested, into an article on the cult of personality around Hitler. Beyond that, there is no need for an article like this. We can redirect the article title if by some slim chance someone will come to wikipedia looking for that. Other than that, this article just seems to be an extension of the joyous celebrations by the original (now banned) article creator.  freshacconci  talk talk  01:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep If the scale of the celebration claimed by the article is correct, this was a notable event. Merging with the Adolf Hitler article would be problematic, since that is already an very long article whose content has presumably already been carefully trimmed down by its editors.  I'd be in favor of a merge with one of the secondary articles, but none of the ones I looked at them stands out as an appropriate candidate.  Thus for now, my vote is keep.  --  Tom N (tcncv) talk/contrib 01:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge Uneeded forking of content. Winston Churchill state funeral was also a notable event, but it only has a redirect page to Churchill's biography.--Darius (talk) 02:10, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment The Pittsburg Press ran a 7-column headline 1.500.000 Watch Parade As Nazis Celebrate Hitler's Birthday. Unfortunately, most of the relevant sources are off-line. The event is relevant beyond Hitler's personal biography, although (as I have stated above) it could be merged into an article that describes the personality cult around the Nazi leader. Cs32en   Talk to me  02:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Trim down, merge and redirect let's put the fork back in the turkey. Darrenhusted (talk) 02:15, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I added a sentence to the Hitler article so that if this should be closed as "Merge", a simple redirect will complete the process. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 04:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep the article, execute the subject of the article" Hitler is evil.  There are enough reliable sources for the article. Too much information to be merged with the Adolf articleJB50000 (talk) 04:40, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect. Sure that birthday was notable--because it was Hitler's birthday, and the iformation should be included in Hitler's article. That that would make that article would be too long is not enough of an argument to keep this a separate entity. Drmies (talk) 05:19, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. The evidence appears to indicate that the event was significant at the time. As long as the article is factual and well-sourced, and doesn't turn into an adulatory love-fest for Hitler, it should be kept.  Some information about the use made by the Nazis of public spectacle should probably be added to give some more conetxt.  (And if the article is to be merged, it shouldn't go into the article on Hitler, but into one about Nazi propaganda or a related topic -- that's what makes the event historically significant, not the fact that it's about H. turning 50.) Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:25, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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