Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adolph Aloys von Braun


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The result was   keep. The Bushranger One ping only 00:28, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Adolph Aloys von Braun

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Either a hoax or a non-notable biography. There are claims of notablity like "He was the Privy Councillor and Director of the Emperor’s Cabinet’s Chancellery" but this is not backed up by any reliable source. Also, the sources provided are in a list and not inline, and the only one that is accessible for internet users   doesn't even include his name, making me speculate even more that it's a hoax Mynameislatesha (talk) 22:18, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Not a hoax. He's described as "the director of the Kabinettskanzlei" in The Austro-German Rapprochement, 1870-1879: From the Battle of Sedan to the Dual Alliance. In 1894, he's called in German "Cabinets-Director His Excellency Mr. Adolph Freiherr von Braun, Knight of the Austrian Imperial. Order of the Iron Crown of the first class, Commander of the Royal. Hungarian St. Stephen's - Order, Chevalier de Austrian Imperial. Order of Leopold" in Handbuch des allerhöchsten Hofes und des Hofstaates seiner K. und K. Apostolischen Majestät, which translates as "Handbook of the Supreme Court and courtiers of His Imperial and Royal Apostolic Majesty".  The trick is to leave out his middle name "Aloys" and search for either "Adolph von Braun" or his imperial title "Adolph Freiherr von Braun".  I used Google Translate, so the translations may not be 100% accurate.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  23:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Not a hoax. I added the two sources that user:Cullen328 provided to the article. It may be unlikely that numerous web-based sources will be available about this historic person, but perhaps additional library sources are. Northamerica1000 (talk) 00:53, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:56, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep Evidence found it is not a hoax. The guy won a lot of notable awards.  If someone spoke his native language, they might be able to find more information about him.  Then again, Google news and Google books don't really focus on archiving other languages.   D r e a m Focus  19:39, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Its sources could not be more accurate, they are from books on or including the person, This artical is certainly long enough, very informative and encyclopedic. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 17:11, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Very easy, once one drops the middle name as Cullen suggests, to confirm his 35 years as Kabinettsdirektor and there is quite a scattering of miscellaneous passing references to him, using not only Cullen's suggested search terms but with Adolf rather than Adolph - and some that don't even give his forename but just Kabinettsdirektor or Staatsrat. I've added one citation about his minor but significant part in the Mayerling Incident (there are several similar other references also available), and I am rather surprised that I haven't found anything more substantial, even on a relatively cursory search, about that or other parts of his career, even allowing for the fact that he was concerned with Franz Josef's private rather than public activities. I would be surprised if there aren't more substantial reliable sources - though possibly offline. PWilkinson (talk) 21:16, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, obviously, because this is supposed to be first-and-foremost an encyclopedia, rather than a chronicle of recent events or a 21st century pop-culture compendium. I have no great objection to our covering the latter topics, but please let's not make it at the expense of such topics as this whose equivalents in recent politics would never be questioned. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:30, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:SNOW; he was equivalent to Secretary of the Cabinet in today's United States. Bearian (talk) 19:28, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
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