Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adolph Kliebhan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. This is a decision not based on IAR (which to me is a slippery slope) but on improvements to the article during this deletion discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 02:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Adolph Kliebhan

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Fails WP:GNG and prong 5 of WP:SPORTBASIC. Article has for 13 years remained as a sub-stub unsupported by any SIGCOV, and my searches failed to find any. (I tried redirecting to List of players who appeared in only one game in the NFL (1920–1929), but the redirect was reverted by User:BeanieFan11. A redirect remains a reasonable alternative to deletion IMO.) Cbl62 (talk) 02:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect per nom. We've gone over this extensively for over a year now; SIGCOV is required for sports articles, and simple participation has been deprecated. If User:BeanieFan11 is unprepared to do the work to properly source the articles, he does not now get to unilaterally decide to defy consensus-based notability standards. Either put up or shut up.   Ravenswing      03:49, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:56, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: American football and Wisconsin.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:53, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. WP:IAR. This person was the first starting quarterback in the history of the Green Bay Packers . The very first one in the history of the most successful professional football team ever. For a topic this significant, we should be able to keep regardless of coverage. Also, he did receive a bit of coverage, too. His UPI/AP obits were included in the Simpson's Leader-Times, The Akron Beacon Journal, The South Bend Tribune, The Carlesbad Current-Argus, the Orlando Evening Star, The Brooklyn Daily Eagle, The Times-Tribune, the Sidney Daily News, The Pittsburgh Press, the Sapulpa Daily Herald, the Transcript-Telegram, the Eureka Humboldt Standard, the Portage Daily Register, The Evening Herald, The Doylestown Intelligencer, and others. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:59, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This one is a closer call and an understandable appeal to IAR. That said, and to be accurate, Kliebhan actually wasn't the Packers' first starting QB. Our List of Green Bay Packers starting quarterbacks asserts: "The team's first starting quarterback was Norm Barry." The Packers franchise actually dates back to 1919. Moreover, Kliebhan was not even the Packers' first QB during the 1921 season. He did, however, start (but not finish) the team's first game against an APFA opponent. He didn't attempt any passes in the game, was replaced midgame by Curly Lambeau, and was not heard from again. Cbl62 (talk) 23:47, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Per BeanieFan11.-- Yankees10 23:30, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per the sources added and improvement to the article by myself, Cbl62 and others. « Gonzo fan2007  (talk)  @ 02:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect - None of the sources presented in the article or here at AfD constitute significant coverage. It's all statistics databases, very brief obituaries and game narratives. No opposition to re-creating a standalone article if actual SIGCOV is found and added per SPORTBASIC. I would also strongly advise to provide an actual rationale beyond "please discuss" when reverting redirects; if SIGCOV really does exist, simply pointing it out would have prevented a needless trip to AfD. –dlthewave ☎ 04:33, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Article has been significantly improved since nomination. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:51, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - per BeanieFan and the sources in the article, which are light but I am ok with them given the vintage of the subject. Rlendog (talk) 14:00, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Very Weak Keep. The article is in much better shape, but the sources within are very light as mentions above. I'm thinking WP:IAR applies in this particular case, albeit barely.  SPF121188  (talk this way) (my edits) 19:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect per above. Therapyisgood (talk) 20:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.