Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adonis Italo de Sá Barreto Feliciano


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The result was   delete. Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 17:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Adonis Italo de Sá Barreto Feliciano

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A youth footballer and currently without a club (contract expired in May 2008), so he is not notable Matthew_hk   t  c  04:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep - I closed this AfD, which bundled a number of footballer articles (including this one) together with a result of "keep all" less than an hour before this nomination was made. If you disagree with that conclusion, feel free to take it to WP:DRV--if you disagree with WP:ATHLETE, feel free to take it up on the relevant talk pages. -- jonny - m  t  05:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, on second look, I'm striking my comment above. While I still support a keep here based on the quickness with which this renomination was done, I also recognize that a number of doubts were raised about this particular individual.  For the record, I do believe that this nomination was made in good faith--hence my avoidance of the words "speedy keep" both here and above--but given recent demonstrated consensus I would suggest that it be withdrawn for the time being. -- jonny - m  t  05:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as there is no indication of notability and no coverage of the figure in third party, reliable citations. Happyme22 (talk) 06:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete unless verfiable sources added. Also, DGG put it quite well in the previous AFD. Dloh  cierekim  06:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete due to no assertion of notability. Spell4yr (talk) 06:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Matthew_hk   t  c  06:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete no assertion of notability. Who did he play for?  Has he played on a national team?  Without that kinda info, there is no way to judge his notability, and it is the burden of those writing articles to make it clear the subject is notable.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete no sources indicating notability. Jogurney (talk) 15:45, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. According to this text (text in Portuguese), he was sent off in a Campeonato Pernambucano match. Campeonato Pernambucano is a professional competition and is Pernambuco state's highest-level football league competition. --Carioca (talk) 23:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Carioca. I'm afraid however that this does not raise him to a sufficiently high level. Cheers,  Dloh  cierekim  23:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment State League may regard as regional league level, which is not enough. Matthew_hk   t  c  12:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. I am aware and I agree that there is no reason to keep the article. I actually found very few reliable sources regarding this player. --Carioca (talk) 18:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Campeonato Pernambucano is sufficient to establish notability. I should hope someone passing judgment on a Brazilian footballer knows a little bit about Brazilian football, but in case you don't... there are two separate league competition levels in Brasil - the Campeonato Brasileirao, which is divided into the three levels Serie A, B, and C (naturally). Serie A is undoubtedly fully professional, but I am unsure of the other two levels. I would imagine Serie C is not fully professional. However, there is a separate state league system, including the Campeonato Pernambucano, the Campeonato Paulista, etc. Each team participates in both leagues, along with whatever cups they might enter (Copa do Brasil, Copa Sudamericana, and Copa Libertadores being the obvious candidates). In short, what I'm claiming is that the Campeonato Pernambucano is a notable competition, because it does not coincide at all (in terms of scheduling or format) with the Campeonato Brasileirao. A team that is relegated from Serie A could easily win the state league championship, like Corinthians for instance (who were recently relegated just a few seasons after having the likes of Tevez and Mascherano lead them to a Serie A championship). So since this guy played for a club that participates in a fully professional league (the Serie A) while playing in an officially sanctioned, non-friendly competition (the Campeonato Pernambucano), that is just as notable as an Arsenal player who plays in the Carling Cup, or a Brondby player who participates in the Royal League. ugen64 (talk) 22:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I said before that "I am aware and I agree that there is no reason to keep the article" as per Wikipedia:FOOTYN, in which players are deemed notable only if they have played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure, but you are correct, the state championships are a separate league system, so this should be considered enough to establish notability. The problem actually relies more with Wikipedia:FOOTYN, because it completely ignores the peculiarities of Brazilian football, which is very different from European football. All national levels of Brazilian football are fully professional, as well as the state championships, as in Brazil there is a separation between professional and amateur football, amateur clubs did not compete in the same league structure as professional clubs (this can be easily verified checking the Campeonato Carioca, where there is a Campeonato Carioca for professional clubs, and there are separate leagues for amateur clubs. --Carioca (talk) 23:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


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