Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adrian Battles


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The result was   redirect to 2010 Green Bay Packers season. Not entirely sure where this should be redirecting to, feel free to alter my choice. &mdash; Joseph Fox 12:54, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Adrian Battles

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:ATH, and WP:NSPORT. Just because he was on the practice squad when the Packers won the Super Bowl does not make him automatically notable.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  22:17, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to 2010 Green Bay Packers season, where it is already mentioned he was signed to practice squad. Does not meet WP:NSPORTS having not played a professional game.  Unfortunately, offensive lineman dont get much coverage so doesnt meet WP:GNG with independent coverage on his college career either. —Bagumba (talk) 00:08, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. Looks like he's had plenty of non-trivial coverage in reliable, independent media sources, such that he passes WP:GNG.  I also take into account that, in American football, offensive linemen almost never get extensive publicity.  Battles is an exception to that general rule which reinforces my view on his notability.  Examples of the coverage include: (1) "Persistence paying off for former MSU Mankato offensive lineman," Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Feb. 1, 2011; (2) "Battles will always have a chief claim to fame," Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Aug, 15,2011; (3) "Bracelet New Charm in Athletes' Search for Edge," ABC News/Associated Press, Feb. 2, 2011;  (4) "Vikings sign former Mav Battles: Former Minnesota State tackle to move to guard," Mankato Free Press, May 4, 2010; (5) Milwaukee's Battles glad to be here, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Feb. 2, 2011; (6) "Former Mav Battles for roster spot; ready for 1st game;  Vikings guard has never attended an NFL game," Mankato Free Press, Aug. 13, 2010; (7) "Former Mankato player at Super Bowl with Packers," Aberdeen American News, Feb. 4, 2011; (8) "Pictures of the day," The Daily Telegraph (UK), Feb. 2, 2011, (9) "Battles at home in Viking camp: Spent his college career playing on the same practice fields," Mankato Free Press, July 31, 2010; (10) "A new experience for Battles," Mankato Free Press, Aug. 2, 2010, (11) "Former MSU player Battles for a spot on the Vikings, Tackle-turned-guard feeling more comfortable with each practice," Mankato Free Press, May 29, 2010, (12) "Former MSU football players looking for a shot at the pros: Rodgers, Earl and Battles at Vikings' tryout camp," Mankato Free Press, May 1, 2010, (13)  "Former Maverick happy to say cheese: Minnesota State standout joins Packers for Super Bowl run," Mankato Free Press, Feb. 3, 2011. Cbl62 (talk) 00:31, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It appears that most of the coverage comes from his being on the practice squad during the Packers' playoff run or from a local newspaper.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  00:56, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The coverage includes feature articles about Battles in major metropolitan dailies (Minneapolis Star Tribune ranks #17 on List of newspapers in the United States by circulation and Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ranks #31) and from smaller newspapers in Mankato, MN, and Aberdeen, SD. Articles are specifically about Battles, including his college career and his service with the Minnesota Vikings and Green Bay Packers, and his visit to the White House as part of the Super Bowl XLV championship team.  It's anything but routine coverage, particularly for a practice squad offensive lineman. Cbl62 (talk) 01:19, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - as Cbl62 pointed out, this is hardly routine coverage for a practice squad offensive lineman. cmadler (talk) 02:56, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect sorry I don't count the Mankato Free Press as "independent coverage", nor the town in which he was a former player with, even the Milwaukee article said that Battles career is coming to a "close" Secret account 05:40, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The Mankato Free Press is, in fact, "independent." It's one of the oldest daily newspapers in Minnesota (in print since 1857) serving six counties. (On what do you base your opinion that it's not independent?)  In any event, Battle has also received feature article coverage in major metropolitan dailies, as noted above.  As for his career coming to a "close," that may or may not prove true, but it's not relevant. All athletic careers come to a close, some sooner than others.  In Battle's case, he's had a 5-year football career so far.  Even if he never plays again, the extent and depth of non-trivial coverage he has received is far beyond routine coverage and is enough to satisfy WP:GNG. Cbl62 (talk) 06:07, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment The player's WP:IMPACT is from being a practice squad player in the Super Bowl, and WP:BLP1E seems relevant and suggests that the article be redirected. If we exclude the two Super Bowl related sources, we see multiple sources almost exclusively from Mankato Free Press—the ABC News/Associated Press source contains only a trivial mention of Battles. However, WP:GNG expects multiple sources, but says "Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability." Thus, there are insufficient sources to satisfy GNG, as there are neutrality concerns from writing his biography (outside of the Super Bowl) based predominantly on a single source. WP:MASK warns that "A living person's single event notability can be disguised by also including the subject's life history, such as graduating high school valedictorian or being interviewed by a local newspaper. The editor includes these events, usually accompanied with valid sources, attempting to establish a reputation for the person. Merging multiple unrelated non-notable accomplishments takes focus away from the true purpose of creating the coatrack article." WP:COATRACK suggests "in some cases where an event in a person's life is the only notable thing about them, it may make sense to only have an article on the event and not have an article on the person at all."—Bagumba (talk) 07:57, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, none of that is accurate. There are multiple independent sources. Aside from the Mankato paper (which has itself published multiple feature stories about Battles), he has also been the subject of feature articles in two of the largest metropolitan daily newspapers in the USA and a fourth newspaper as well.  This also isn't a BLP, as some of the feature articles are about his four-year college career.  He was, as discussed in one of the feature stories, a dominating player in his college career.  Other articles are about his time with the Vikings.  Some are about his 7 games with the Packers.  This is not in any way, shape or form a coatrack for something else.  A "coatrack article is a Wikipedia article that ostensibly discusses the nominal subject, but in reality is a cover for a tangentially related biased subject."  Coatracks are designed to "purposefully to promote a particular bias," and "run against the fundamental neutral point of view policy."  None of that applies here.   There is no "tangentially related" subject here.  Nor is there a bias being promoted.  Nor is there a deviation from neutral point of view.  This is an article about a notable football player, not about the Israeli-Palestine conflict or abortion.    Cbl62 (talk) 20:58, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect per Bagumba's reasoning. — X96lee15 (talk) 12:34, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
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