Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adrian Cardenas


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 07:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Adrian Cardenas

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Unbundling from Articles for deletion/Jose Diaz (baseball player). Good faith gnews/google search isn't turning up sources that show notability, so it comes down to WP:ATHLETE. Does a couple dozen games at the AA level mean he's competed at a "fully professional level"? (The proposed WikiProject Baseball/Notability guidelines says no, but while this did have much consensus, it is just a draft.)  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  16:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.  --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  16:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.  --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  16:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Trusting nominators good faith search. There is broad interpretation among Wikipedia editors of what constitutes "fully professional" for baseball players, I interpret as having played in one of the major leagues outlined in the proposed (but not fully adopted) baseball notability guidelines, and that minor league players are not notable unless there has been significant coverage of them in reliable, independent sources (not just statistic pages), in which case they would pass the general notability guidelines and would not have to pass WP:ATHLETE--kelapstick (talk) 16:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and reasoning of Kelapstick. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 16:15, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Minor League baseball players are under contract with a 'Professional' team, having to be stored in lower class teams, but still 'professional' players with stats. These type of minor league stub can further knowledge of the player by fans in the seats (with Blackberries etc, thus more webhits) or team scouts. WP:ATHLETE and 'people of notability' doesn't take into account that a 'player' and a 'person' of notability are two different things. A 'person' is vague to define. A 'player' of notability, say a minor league baseball player, does have stats and awards to his name sometimes, and these stubs can add perfectly to what Wikipedia was meant to be in the first place!  I have reliable references and always note the stubs accordingly.Gjr rodriguez (talk) 21:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not only are some statistic sites just stats on a webpage, they also carry 'history', 'contact information','stadium information', what can be considered "signifigant coverage" with more research available on player beyond just the stats. The websites I reference are more than just a stat site.  The stat sites are referenced for the stat tables, the bio info is from different sources melded and noted accordinglyGjr rodriguez (talk) 21:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Statistics or brief mentions in articles about minor league teams do not constitute "significant coverage in reliable sources," as required by WP:N. BRMo (talk) 03:57, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - He has never played a game in the Major Leagues. Unionsoap (talk) 14:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Unlike some of these other nominations, Cardenas is a genuinely notable prospect. Winner of the Baseball America High School Player of the Year Award, Gatorade High School Player of the Year Award, first-round draft pick, Gulf Coast League All-Star, participant in the All-Star Futures Game, included in a major deadline trade, etc. If you want some of those reliable sources that the nom's "good-faith" search didn't find (and which many of the other posters here apparently blindly trusted): Miami Herald profile, Baseball America profile, Philadelphia Inquirer profile, etc. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 13:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, per WP:ATHLETE and Hit bull, win steak's comments. There's sources there to add the All-Star information to the article by a quick google search, I guess the nominator just missed them. Borgarde (talk) 05:56, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


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