Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adrian Fontes


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The result was delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 22:52, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Adrian Fontes

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Delete. Minimally-sourced article about a person notable only for winning election as a county recorder. This is not a level of office that satisfies WP:NPOL -- while his predecessor happens to have an article, she got one for turning herself into a nationalized controversy, and not just for being a county recorder per se. So the fact that Helen Purcell clears the bar as a special case, for reasons beyond the holding of an otherwise non-notable position in and of itself, does not mean that Adrian Fontes automatically gets one too just for succeeding her. Bearcat (talk) 11:47, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 12:03, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete eklection as county recorder is not enough for notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:04, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170e talk 23:58, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete county recorder not notable. No independent signs of notability yet. 49ersBelongInSanFrancisco (talk) 06:10, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete (Bearcat makes a strong analysis and review of the sources. I've changed my !vote post that and struck my initial keep !vote. Thanks. Lourdes  01:39, 6 January 2017 (UTC))  Keep Seems to easily qualify on BASIC; and if sources like NBC, Foothills Focus are combined with ABC and FOX, then on GNG too... NBC NewsABCFoothills FocusFoxKTAR NewsKJZZArizona PBS, contains a good foreword before the interviewNogales InternationalDowntown Phoenix. (For example, the NBC link contains the following: "The Latino who will now be responsible for conducting elections in one of the nation's largest counties says he wants to boost confidence in the process. Adrian Fontes, a Democrat and political newcomer, was elected as the new Maricopa County recorder, after longtime incumbent Helen Purcell formally conceded the race on Tuesday. With a population of 4.1 million residents, of whom 30 percent are Latino, Maricopa County is the fourth largest in the country. Fontes' duties as Maricopa County recorder will include maintaining voter registration rolls for registered voters, ensuring that all national, state and countywide elections run smoothly, and providing support to cities during elections. Fontes, a father of three, is a former prosecutor and a veteran who served in the Marine Corps from 1992 to 1996. He's currently a private practice attorney, practicing civil and criminal law. He was born in Nogales, Arizona, and says his family has deep roots in the state. They've been living in southern Arizona for the last 300 plus years, even before Arizona became a state. Fonts could possibly be the first Latino to win a countywide position in Maricopa County, an indication that Latinos are making their growing presence felt."; this is absolutely worthy coverage by a source.)  Lourdes  07:50, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I've now added six of the sources to the article. Some interested editor should expand the same based on the said sources. Lourdes  09:26, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Pinging, and  for a quick review.  Lourdes  09:33, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'm not swayed by the fact that a couple of local sources happen to exist about his initial election. Local media coverage of local officeholders always exists, so we would always have to keep an article about every smalltown mayor, every municipal councillor, every school board trustee, every county recorder, every tax assessor in existence if local coverage alone were enough — our standards for distinguishing notable local officeholders from non-notable local officeholders would be disembowelled entirely, because purely local coverage could always be shown. But local officeholders aren't always (or even usually) of (inter-)nationalized interest — so for an officeholder at the municipal or county level of politics, we require the depth and breadth of media coverage to show them as significantly more notable than the norm before a Wikipedia article is deemed appropriate, such as by nationalizing beyond the purely local in a sustained and substantive way. But those sources are virtually all local media outlets in Maricopa, not national media — "NBC Latino" is the one exception, but one piece of nationalized coverage isn't enough nationalized coverage to make "county recorder" a claim of notability by itself. Bearcat (talk) 15:19, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I'd like some more eyes on the new sources, just to be sure. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:33, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per nom. Does not satisfy WP:GNG and I question WP:SINGLEEVENT, WP:SUSTAINED, and WP:NOTTEMPORARY. GauchoDude (talk) 18:31, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:33, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete We do not customarily count local sources for local politicians, and there is no reason this should be an exception. DGG ( talk ) 00:37, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 00:52, 6 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete, while there are more than enough sources about Fontes (Mother Jones, NBC News, mentioned in The New York Times and Los Angeles Times, not to mention the dozens of local sources, I don't think that Fontes meets WP:SUSTAINED. He certainly passes WP:GNG, but as WP:SUSTAINED says, "New companies and future events might pass WP:GNG, but lack sufficient coverage to satisfy WP:NOTNEWSPAPER"


 * Maricopa County is a bit bigger than the average county, and it's been in the news lately what with the outburst of electoral attention directed at Hispanics, which makes Fontes' job more interesting than his equivalent out in North Dakota, but he would still fail WP:NPOL. Since he then fails WP:SUSTAINED which seems to supercede WP:GNG, I !vote delete.


 * Delete Agree subject is not notable at this time. Recorder is not an office that usually generates much coverage and unless there are ongoing controversies and sustained coverage, this is just a routine local politician.  Existing coverage just states he was elected. MB 22:21, 6 January 2017 (UTC)


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