Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adriana Chechik (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I think that there's now relatively broad community consensus that porn industry awards do not establish notability.  Sandstein  09:20, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Adriana Chechik
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Fails WP:ENT & WP:BASIC; no mainstream, significant source coverage found. Porn industry sources are largey promotional/advertising; a Google news search returns mostly lad mags and clickbait sites. Previous "keep" !votes mentioned the large number of industry awards; this falls under the deprecated WP:PORNBIO criteria which are no longer enough to demonstrate notability. A GQ India profile and an article on Jezebel were also cited; however, the GQ piece is mostly just the "highlights" from a Reddit AMA, which is a primary source as well as being at least partially user-generated, and Jezebel is normally considered an opinion source; WP:RS/P specifically cautions against using it for contentious claims about living people. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 13:36, 17 December 2021 (UTC) edited 14:11, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete article has too many promotional sources, not enough reliable sources to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * Soft delete In my opinion Chechik is notable in that she won Female Performer of the Year in her industry. I don't expect her to win an Emmy any time soon. Though I'm inclined to agree that the sources aren't reliable. I kept seeing stuff in Spanish about bone injuries incurred on set. If reliable sources come about in the future, I do see a feasible article. I saw something about her going to Drexel University to become a doctor. Interesting. Trillfendi (talk) 20:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course she's not going to win an Emmy, that's a different field with their own awards. She's won 11 "Oscars" in her chosen acting genre. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:35, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment She's got an article in Bild.de, but it's just relating what she talked about in her podcast. She's almost at the notability standard with a gazillion hits in Gnews. Oaktree b (talk) 23:34, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Bild is considered a tabloid and a discussion at RSN notes a tendency to creat content to boost readership. Not therefore an RS. Ghits doesn't count to notability at all. Spartaz Humbug! 13:05, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * delete previous claims of notable sourcing failed to substantially evidence good quality sources and I stand by my nomination for AFD1. Spartaz Humbug! 13:07, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Here are a few sources covering her. América 24:, Caracol Radio: , El Tiempo (Colombia): Thriley (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Thriley (talk) 02:07, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Some more sources. German Rolling Stone:, il Fatto Quotidiano: Thriley (talk) 02:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * More: El País (Uruguay):, Radio Continental: , Mediafax: Thriley (talk) 02:38, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Anything with lesiones óseas is talking about bone injuries. Trillfendi (talk) 22:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thriley, these amount to name-drops and interviews. Not relevant. Zaathras (talk) 04:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete : tabloids, namedropping mentions, and interviews. Zaathras (talk) 04:56, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The coverage I have found in notable publications demonstrates her global notability. I think there is plenty of material to further improve the article. I want to note that this article has been viewed 72,042 times in the last 30 days. Seems like it would be best to keep and improve than to delete as this is clearly someone of interest to readers. Thriley (talk) 05:23, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Pageview statistics don't necessarily indicate that a page is encyclopedic. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 09:15, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Sourcing is primarily AVN and or other adult film news sources in the article. What I found through my due diligence are trashy magazines on top of trashy gossipy magazines discussing her being a wrestling ring girl, being the survivor of domestic abuse, and wanting to sleep with her fans. If she had received more mainstream coverage, etc, I could be open minded, but, this subject doesn't qualify for WP:GNG nor WP:BASIC. Missvain (talk) 18:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep She has won 11 (eleven, XI) AVN awards, the Oscars of her field. Nominating significant pages in an individual's chosen field of endeavor like these seems a waste of editors time. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:31, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, avn awards do not count towards notability and are not oscars as people pay attention to oscar wins and outside the porn ecosystem no one cares who gets what award. Also equating something that you can win 11 times without garnering real world coverage with something that great actors or directors often don’t get or only get once in a career is an intellectually stupid argument. PORNBIO was depreciated because arguments like this still don’t guarantee GNG level coverage. This is a BLP and it must therefore be properly sourced. Spartaz Humbug! 19:51, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * "Real world coverage"? Where does the porn industry exist, in a Doctor Strange between-shifts time non-dimension? I'm not into porn industry things myself, or else I would have won half-a-dozen of these, but it's a "thing" that Wikipedia covers and this lady seems to have excelled at it bless her heart. Some editors seem to want to censor Wikipedia, let's hope not on a learned closer's watch. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:13, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I hope you are not be casting aspersions with that last comment. I’m just going to leave it for the closing admin to note that your argument was explicitly rejected by the community when it was decided to depreciate PORNBIO. Applying the GNG and community standards for content is not censorship. Spartaz Humbug! 20:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * "The community" is whomever found out about a discussion at a point in time and then took an interest in it. Common sense and IAR would say that not allowing the major porn industry award help shape who and who isn't notable in that industry seems like censorship to me, plain and simple, which is not allowed on Wikipedia (full disclosure, I know someone who once sat next to Jenna Jamieson in a row of pool chairs). Randy Kryn (talk) 20:31, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If you think that the community got it wrong then feel free to propose the restoration of pornbio - which was removed by this discussion that took place on the talk page of an official guideline that is watched by 838 different editors, 104 of which followed recent edits. Its disrespectful to argue that this isn’t a valid depreciation and that we should IAR ignore it. Spartaz Humbug! 20:48, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yup AVN awards, etc - do not merit inclusion. We did that once, it was a hot mess. I also worked with Jenna Jameson... doesn't mean I get a Wikipedia article about it. Missvain (talk) 02:24, 25 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete I'm not really that sure about the award wins since I don't follow that kind of thing, but I'm sure there's Emmy, Grammy, Webby, Game Developers Choice Awards, Etc. Etc. people out there who don't have articles and the notability of whatever she has won "IRL" is pretty questionable anyway. Just like I'd say the Game Developers Choice Awards is. No offense to her or people who have won either. Most fields have some kind of awards though and 99% of the time they are extremely meaningless. So it's down the quality of references. Which in this case is clearly inadequate. Sorry, but that's life. I'll be happy to change my vote to keep if or when they materialize though. In the meantime, Merry Christmas. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:46, 25 December 2021 (UTC)


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