Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Advisory Council for the Church's Ministry


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Archbishops' Council. Anything worth merging is available from the article's edit history. Randykitty (talk) 17:40, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Advisory Council for the Church's Ministry

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Subject isn't notable. While ACCM is a publisher of Anglican thought, it is not the subject of any independent material I could find. Many of the sources I could find (including the one live link provided in the article) only briefly mention the subject; therefore, the subject fails WP:GNG. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 16:27, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 16:28, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 16:28, 28 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think headquarters departments of one of the most important churches in the world should generally be seen as notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:35, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I missed the guideline that says Anglican stuff is presumed to be notable. You can imagine how normative judgments like that lead to systemic biases in this project. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 16:46, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * In what possible way is it systemic bias for organs of a major church to be seen as notable? Come on! And no, I have no connection whatsoever with the C of E, nor am I religious at all. I merely believe in common sense. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:59, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I would say the top organizational levels of any major religious denomination with several centuries of history should be presumed notable. It's not just Anglican stuff, I recently created an article about a similar organization within the Church of Iceland. That being said, I see no shortage of perfectly good sources so it's a clear keep for me. Prince of Thieves (talk) 17:54, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you misunderstand me. I'm not going to nominate articles that have presumed notability, like "hall of fame" bucking bulls or professors in named chairs. I'm not sure how "the top organizational levels of any major religious denomination" get any sort of presumption short of WP:ILIKEIT. I'm not trying to waste editors' time with this; this nomination is entirely procedural. If you hit me up on my talk page and tell me that everyone agrees that it's forbidden to nominate church-related stuff, I'll get your message. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 18:22, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Well certainly we don't want piles of articles about the committees of local choir groups and such. But I would definitely say any national or supranational church governing body in a major denomination should be either kept or merged while leaving a R with possibilities redirect. These things are pretty well covered in specialist publications. Prince of Thieves (talk) 18:56, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. NN. Just a talking shop that can be created, amended or ended at any time. 2 refs in article, 1 404, 1 primary. Szzuk (talk) 19:38, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Archbishops' Council, which it is a department of, as this is simply an advisory council body within a larger council body, which runs the anglican church. (renamed three times at least, as vaguely alluded to in the article). I do think it is notable, but it is also a tiny stub and there is nothing to merge. I would vastly rather work on something work local than part of the Anglican church. Prince of Thieves (talk) 20:08, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably keep If not, Merge to Archbishops' Council, (rather than delete). I am not all that familiar with the Anglican church's structures, but I suspect this is notable.  We are talking about the English Established Church.  Nevertheless it is difficult to judge from a placeholder (stub) such as this.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:58, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect and Merge It clearly part of the function of the (notable) Archbishops' Council Mattyjohn (talk) 00:57, 6 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.