Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aedan McGrath


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The result was keep.  So Why  07:56, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Aedan McGrath

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Notability not established in article. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:29, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Weak Delete Delete  per nom. Notability unclear or unestablished in current content. The main sources are (respectfully) relatively commonplace obituaries, and do not exceed what might be expected to surpass WP:NOTMEMORIAL. To meet WP:AUTHOR we might expect to see a body of work that has been subject to independent review/coverage. And, while not formal guideline, to meet WP:RELPEOPLE we might expect to see broader coverage of related works. In general I'm not seeing how WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO are met. UPDATED: highlights that various other book sources (not mentioned in the current article) indicate SIGCOV. However, from what I can see, this coverage primarily relates to the subject's imprisonment. While some of that coverage is non-trivial, to my own eye, it doesn't surpass that required to surpass WP:BIO1E and WP:VICTIM. Guliolopez (talk) 22:40, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see my comment below. I trust the follow-up obituary is enough to change your !vote. StAnselm (talk) 03:10, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure. But not much. Guliolopez (talk) 12:02, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep: easily passes WP:GNG, as a Google Books search indicates. Both the nomination and the delete !vote above appear to rely on the sources cited in the article, but they are much more plentiful than that. WP:BEFORE has simply not been followed. See, for example, half a page on the account of his arrest in a book published by A&C Black. As far as obituaries go, the one cited in the article is indeed commonplace: the Irish Times followed it up three days later with a much more comprehensive one. Please do your own searches, people! StAnselm (talk) 03:07, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are indeed additional sources; but half a page on an arrest isn't doing anything to actually establish notability - which is the problem. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 08:31, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - the Irish times obituary is not routine. There are also quite a few results when searching newspapers.com, some of which are in depth. Smmurphy(Talk) 17:43, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Seriously?! The Irish Times "obituary" is an entire four sentences long, one of which announces his death. The detail added to the article from newspapers.com is that he set up 6 branches of the Legion of Mary. How is that WP:NOTABLE?! Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:25, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No. You have clearly not read the second obituary to which I have linked repeatedly. It is much more comprehensive. StAnselm (talk) 01:54, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Regarding the citation and content I added to the page, it was from one of many newspaper articles over his 30-40 year career in the US after leaving China. Most of the articles in the list I linked in my previous comment in this AfD are printed concurrent with his giving a talk advocating for the Legion and speaking about his life in the area the newspaper serves. Many of them provide different details, but that article was one of the first and the details in it were details not already covered in the page. Well over a dozen of the articles give in depth coverage to McGrath, although I didn't find other material from what I added and what was already in the page. StAnselm responded adequately to your other point. Smmurphy(Talk) 02:39, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You're correct, I read the obit linked in the article. Nobody has bothered adding the more extensive obit to the article, hence my mistake. The more extensive obit covers in more detail the life of a no doubt decent man, who still would appear to have not met any criteria for WP WP:NOTABILITY. This is an encyclopedia, not a webhost for listing every priest who ever lived... Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 08:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Fails notability. Sources are routine and although there is a reference in a book also, it doesn't establish any reasons for notability, it is an account of an incarceration. -- HighKing ++ 00:42, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Missionaries imprisoned by the Communists and who then wrote about it are probably notable. For a Protestant equivalent, I would cite Geoffrey Bull.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:14, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Jupitus Smart  17:23, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep The Google Books results plus the Irish Times obit suggests to me that we are dealing with a notable person here. Mentions in the books are normally a paragraph or two in length, and exist in at least three pages worth of Google Books results that is turning up mainly reliable sourcing. That's enough to get him over GNG. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:14, 10 June 2017 (UTC)


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