Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aerolit


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was : Article has been merged as described below into the Czeslaw Niemen by Muslim lo Juheu (talk). Non admin closure. Edgepedia (talk) 15:20, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Aerolit
Note: Merged into a new, more general, section Czeslaw Niemen, per discussion below. Muslim lo Juheu (talk) 17:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


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This band article was prodded under A7, and the prod was removed without any reflection of meeting A7 prod criteria. I've performed a wp:before search, and cannot myself find indicia of notability under wp standards, including sufficient RS coverage. Others are welcome to try. Epeefleche (talk) 22:40, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Abysmally fails WP:MUSIC. Qworty (talk) 00:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - Per above. Monterey Bay (talk) 02:48, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article have references. This is not about some garage or dorm band. This is part pf Polish music history. This is a 1970s support band for a Polish celebrity singer Czesław Niemen created by Niemen himself. "Aerolit+Niemen" has 30 hits even in google books. All three listed albums of the band have their wikipedia articles. And at least one of the albums was reissued in 2003 by Polskie Radio.   Muslim lo Juheu (talk) 03:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * PS. The nomination contains false statement "without any reflection of meeting A7 prod criteria". I followed the instructions as stated in the big deletion banner and explained why A7 is invalid in my edit summary. I would ask colleague Epeefleche to be more respectful to colleagues when describing their actions. Muslim lo Juheu (talk) 04:02, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason given in the PROD removal was "this was not a garage or student dorm band. This was a support band of a Polish celebrity, with released albums in 1970s". Being a non-garage-band and non-student-dorm band are not sufficient to pass A7.  Nor is the asserted "support band of a Polish celebrity" or "released albums" sufficient.  If those are what Muslim to Juheu relies on, they fall short of what we need.--Epeefleche (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I note that since Muslim's "keep !vote", he has below written "Makes sense" to a merge proposal (perhaps that reflects a change in his !vote from keep to merge?), has merged the brief content into that article, and has (perhaps technically, if we are to be bureaucratic, a bit prematurely) merged the articles. A merge is fine with me as well, for the record.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. Satisfies WP:BAND 1 (some of the gbooks hits provided by Muslim lo Juheu are to the eponymous album rather than the group per se but still), probably 2 (for ), 5 if you count the posthumous album of a live recording, and definitely 6. For 6 there's obviously Niemen himself (think a Polish Bob Dylan or something), but also Piotr Dziemski , and Jan Błędowsk  were/are independently notable (as jazz musicians). The only thing is that I think the article title should probably be moved to Niemen Aerolit (band).Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Marek, "Niemen Aerolit" is album. The musical group was called "Aerolit". In fact, I am not sure that the album was actually originally named "Niemen Aerolit". It is just written so on the album cover, which may as well be read as "Niemen. Aerolit." It does read in English as "Niemen's Aerolit", but I am sure you know that in Polish "Niemen Aerolit" is an extragrammatical collocation ("Niemen's aerolit" would be "aerolit Niemena").  Muslim lo Juheu (talk) 15:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I have seen both the group and the album referred to as "Niemen Aerolit", sometimes "Niemen-Aerolit". I'm not 100% sure what is the best title for article on the band.Volunteer Marek (talk) 19:41, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge to Czesław Niemen. No indication the band are notable independently of him, with all their albums also in his discography. If its members are independently notable then they should have their own articles.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 09:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that the band is hardly notable independently of Niemen, but the subject is clearly separable from the article about Niemen per se. And wikipedia is not paper or book encyclopedia, so that we may split articles into reasonable pieces. Muslim lo Juheu (talk) 15:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Splits are usually only needed when an article is too long, and Niemen's article is far from that. In particular the band is not mentioned at all in the article; adding the information would improve it and make it more likely to be read. The current article then becomes a redirect to where all the information can be found.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 15:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. I didn't pay attention that the en: Niemen article was neglected. Muslim lo Juheu (talk) 17:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Merged into a new, more general, section Czeslaw Niemen. Muslim lo Juheu (talk) 17:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.