Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afghan cricket team against Zimbabwe in the UAE in 2017–18


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The result was Withdrawn  by nominator. I'm not convinced that cricket internationals in general somehow are exempt from WP:SPORTSEVENT because they are organised with two or three matches in a row usually, and may nominate some other article for nomination. However, picking the very first Test match of a country as an AfD was a bad choice. Fram (talk) 04:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Afghan cricket team against Zimbabwe in the UAE in 2017–18

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While international matches in other sports also get lots of coverage (announcement,n broadcast; match reports, mentioned in next matches), they usually aren't considered notable for Wikipedia (a World Cup final is notable, but e.g. qualification matches for the world cup are not notable even if they are decisive or mark the first appearance of a country or something similar: only exceptional cases are considered notable matches, and even the game that started the Football War doesn't have an article (yet: it probably could get one).

So, why would this single test match be notable contrary to what we generally accept for other sports? See WP:SPORTSEVENT Fram (talk) 14:38, 25 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. It will be Afghanistan's first ever Test match. If you have a working knowledge of cricket you will understand that this is a big event due to the ICC being so miserly in handing out Test status. Since say post WW2 only four countries have made their Test debut and two of them (Pakistan and Bangladesh) were already part of country that had Test status before they became independent. That's just the background though, from a Wikipedia perspective it's a notable match because it has significant coverage in independent reliable sources (a handful of these are already demonstrated in the article that was only created a couple of hours ago). Jenks24 (talk) 14:57, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Any reason why any of this applies to cricket and not to other sports? Significant coverage in independent sources is available for every single official international soccer match, but we have a rule (which is fairly strictly applied) not to create articles on these. In fact, this seems to apply to every team sport but cricket. We e.g. don't have an article on the first match of Italy as part of the Six Nations, or any other "first" of the kind. Why the exception for cricket? Fram (talk) 15:07, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I would assume because of the way that cricket is structured, generally as tours between two nations. Italy's first match as part of the Six Nations would no doubt be covered at the 2000 Six Nations Championship article (I would argue that their first match, a win against Scotland, is probably notable but that is really neither here nor there for the purposes of this discussion). But for cricket there isn't really a greater tournament this is part of, this is it and it's notable in its own right. Most tours like this involve more than one match, that this one only has one is mainly due to the unique nature of the occasion. And following on from the rugby example, you'll see that like in cricket most tours seem to have their own articles, eg 2017 British and Irish Lions tour to New Zealand or 2013 Australia national rugby union team tour of Great Britain, Ireland and Italy. More than likely an example could be found of a one-match tour but rugby union is not really my forte. Jenks24 (talk) 15:20, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Seems rather overkill to have these "tour" articles as well. Dutch cricket team in Zimbabwe in 2017–18 are basically three friendly international matches in a row (against same team, in same location). At least the one under discussion here has the distinction of being Afghanistan first Test (which might put it across the "something really special" threshold), but all these others? Yes, rugby (which I brought up first, stupidly ;-) ) has these tour articles as well. I guess some closer look at many of them may be needed. Looking at International cricket in 2016–17, these tours are very common (some 50 between September and March). Fram (talk) 16:20, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * They're not really friendlies in the sense that soccer (football) have them. There is nowhere else for this clearly well-covered (in reliable sources) topic to go, unless you want to condense those 50 articles you've mentioned into one gigantic page. Probably the most notable cricket matches outside of a world cup (considering Pakistan and India don't tour each other anymore) are happening this summer and they'll be written up at English cricket team in Australia in 2017–18. This is largely what international cricket is, apart from a world cup every four years that the majority of teams involved don't even need to qualify for. Jenks24 (talk) 17:30, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep pretty much per Jenks24. Ignoring the fact that this will be a full international tour by two teams with Test match status (not "test"), this will be the first Test match played by Afghanistan. That alone will meet WP:GNG.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:34, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep clearly meets the WP:GNG, with multiple reliable sources. And it hasn't even happened yet. Harrias  talk 18:18, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. I can't believe I'm upholding the fuckiGNG but there we go. It is Afghanistan's first Test so it is a highly notable match, and the same with Ireland's first Test too. Jack &#124; talk page 19:29, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as having already passed GNG and clearly being the kind of thing which will continue to exceed that standard. Comments pointing to the more "piecemeal" structure of international cricket are entirely valid as well, although with recent plans from the ICC there may end up being something more coherent emerging. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 03:15, 26 October 2017 (UTC)


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