Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/African Americans in Alabama


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Clear consensus for the article to be retained. North America1000 08:23, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

African Americans in Alabama

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Wikipedia does not need a one sentence stub on the topic. It is a plausible topic, so can be redirected to African Americans, Demographics of Alabama or another article, but at the moment such a short article is not adding anything that cannot go in somewhere else. Eddie891 Talk Work 15:14, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:30, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Social science-related deletion discussions. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:30, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alabama-related deletion discussions. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:30, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: Not a good rationale for deletion. Many articles start up as stubs which are then improved and added to. We do not delete articles just because they are stubs - provided they are notable and supported by RS in detail - which they are in this case, see here and . We have articles about White people in Kenya, White people in Zimbabwe, White people in Zambia, etc. Should we start deleting them too? This article is very notable because according to the ref, African Americans make up the second largest population in that state. Most importantly, this was a slave state with gruesome treatment of slaves. Right up to the present, African Americans are the object of scorn and racial prejudice among White Americans. From a historical perspective this article can be greatly improved and deserves a stand alone article independent of African Americans and Demographics of Alabama. The African Americans in Alabama as well as African Americans in Mississippi have a unique history. I would like to see both improved. Senegambianamestudy (talk) 16:42, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 20:45, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Being a stub is not a reason for deletion. I added some references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:09, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Having articles for certain demographics in certain areas is common, and articles that are related to other articles don't need to be deleted or merged if they reliably expand upon the information. Additionally, being a stub is not a valid reason for deletion. Nanophosis (talk) 22:59, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - I was concerned with the initial comparable articles given in the first comment, but the last one works well as well as numerous others. Beyond a WP:OTHER argument there are clearly plenty of sources that can be found in a rapid BEFORE check. Without an actual argument being advanced by the nom, it seems both difficult and pointless to challenge on other grounds. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:55, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep There is a strong, compelling history of African Americans in Alabama. There are innumerable sources to fill this article. Indeed, the entire civil rights movement can not be discussed without discussing African Americans in Alabama and their impact on civil rights. There are also innumerable notable people from Alabama that should be on this article; Charlayne Hunter-Gault, Herbert Carter (pilot), Marva Collins, Jesse Owens, U. W. Clemon, Bernice King...and on and on and on. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:56, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - okay I realise it's a little odd to make this request after a relisting, but we now seem to be into SNOW territory, just the article was mainly missed the first time round, n'est pas? --Nosebagbear (talk) 15:06, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Per above. Though i think there should be more about the history - slavery, desegregation, Selma etc. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 16:34, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Demographics of Alabama. The present article is little more than a pointer to other articles in any case. Deb (talk) 15:15, 9 June 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.