Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afrikaans Protestant Church, Bloemfontein


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The result was delete. Consensus is that WP:GNG is not met. TerriersFan (talk) 22:46, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Afrikaans Protestant Church, Bloemfontein

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Non-notable church; 900 members is fairly small, and there are a lot of churches (including my own) that have far more members than 900 and yet still don't satisfy GNG. Was created by a user who has a history of creating articles about non-notable topics. Difluoroethene (talk) 23:05, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions.  — &mdash; alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 03:44, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  — &mdash; alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 03:44, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep As per WP:Speedy keep reason #1, the nomination "fails to advance an argument for deletion".  Unscintillating (talk) 01:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahem, isn't "Non-notable church", even more so than others that "don't satisfy GNG", an argument for deletion? Maybe it has no merits in this specific case (I haven't tried to evaluate it), but it certainly looks like an argument. --Lambiam 07:16, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So, IYO, the following !vote stands? Keep Notable church, 900 members is defined as a "large church", almost half way to being a mega church, and there are smaller churches that satisfy GNG.   Unscintillating (talk) 01:00, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. I gave that recommendation when I could find no nontrivial coverage in independent reliable sources, as required by GNG. I still can't find it. It is quite possible that several smaller churches do satisfy GNG, as notability in the Wikipedia sense is not a requirement for, and neither a consequence of, size. --Lambiam 10:44, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Also, in stating "almost half way to being a mega church", I think you are confusing attendance with membership.  --Lambiam 10:46, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete, nonnotable. No coverage in reliable sources; just one of many local churches of the Afrikaanse Protestantse Kerk. --Lambiam 07:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - due to lack of significant coverage in reliable and independent sources to pass the GNG. Having 900 members is certainly not a guarantee of automatic notability. Yaksar (let's chat) 17:25, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:16, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
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