Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afshin (singer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Good save, and an indication of why it's dangerous to try and apply pop music standards to world music artists. Lankiveil (speak to me) 23:09, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Afshin (singer)

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Has not been the subject of multiple non-trivial and reliable published works. No indication of them ever being signed to a major record label. Has not won or been nominated for any major music awards. All in all rather un-notable. AlanS (talk) 04:53, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. AlanS (talk) 05:02, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. AlanS (talk) 05:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. AlanS (talk) 05:06, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Insufficient evidence of notability. Probable vanity page. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:30, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: Afshin is a long-running artist with 6 albums in more than 13 years, tens of music videos and hundreds of concerts in tens of countries and yes in Farsi. Asking for a major record label from such artists is truly excessive. As if we want to delete a priori with not much thought put in our decision... Do we really need Universal, Sony and Warner for ethnic artists to pass them? ParsiVideos Afshin is associated with is one of the biggest music producers in Iranian diasporan music with access to hundreds of websites and tens of radio and TV stations and ethnic international satellite now 24 on 24. With your run-of-the-mill local struggling artists who put their output, these ethnic diaspora artists are veritable international artists in their own right. Afshin is very well-known in Iranian ethnic communities not only in his home country Germany, but in Belgium, Netherlands, UK, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Canada, US, Australia, the Middle East, UAE and Gulf as well as in Iran and central Asian countries with multiple appearances on satellite television. Sadly English Wikipedia seems to be biased against true ethnic stars. As soon as we see some ethnic name, or album titles we can't read or media articles we don't understand, suddenly deletion requests follow. It seems these artists and their articles cannot win... add to it the inexperience of the contributors who propose these articles on them. Iranian diaspora artists are already persecuted by the Iranian regime who tries to obliterate their pop and dance materials and forbid its spread, whereas songs of artists like Afshin are an outlet for Iranian western-oriented youth inside Iran who take their Wikipedia very seriously and would be insensed by your suggestion as an indirect aid to the regime they despise. If you have just 5 -6 minutes check this video for example that created so much controversy Afshin's "Dokhtar Shirazi". These artists also play a role in trying to preserve the ethnic culture and language in diaspora youth that is forgetting the language albeit with modern western pop and dance music which even traditionalists despise and want to go away.... What we are doing is helping such process by deleting everything that comes our way from ethnics. It is high time rules other than applied for English language artists is applied for non-English diaspora artists in non-English languages in English Wikipedia. English Wikipedia is not for English language artists but all international artists in all languages and a great extra supplement to language Wikipedias. werldwayd (talk) 20:38, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

You can always remove our articles. i Sorry for English Wikipedia administrators. Saeed.hakimii (talk) 20:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: Totally agree with @werldwayd.


 * Delete. Wikipedia may be biased in its coverage, but this article still fails WP:GNG as it currently stands. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:07, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Changed to Keep. I found this article pretty quickly once I started searching for his name in Farsi (افشین جعفری). I can't be 100% sure it's a reliable source, but there also seem to be several television interviews which have been posted to YouTube as well. The relentless copyvio images need to be removed, but that's more an issue for Commons. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Also this. IronGargoyle (talk) 21:45, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Wifione  Message 00:57, 6 August 2014 (UTC)




 * Keep, good job IronGargoyle. Antrocent (&#9835;&#9836;) 09:43, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.